<p>was doing it, a waste of time, now that i done with applying college, i dont wanna go to college except to study for the military..... im thinking of doing my life long dream, join the Air Force..........what better way to live life, than fly a plane that can break the speed of sound</p>
<p>All education is a waste of time....</p>
<p>derr.......</p>
<p>lol....................................................though remember you never stop learning</p>
<p>Depends. I learned a LOT, and still am, but it is a royal pain in the ass.</p>
<p>I can cope with it because i love my IB school. It is only 60 people and we're all really close now (we kinda have to be....).</p>
<p>same here, he have about 80.........we are ISOLATED FROM THE REGULAR CLASS....LAST TIME I SAW MY FRIENDS FROM REGULAR CLASS WAS IN JUNE OF SOPHMORE YEAR...............so you do get really close with IB kids</p>
<p>I suggest you pick a college with an ROTC program; you'll probably get a scholarship through the program. You'll come out with a college education, and I think you're made an officer.</p>
<p>My IB tests are approaching rapidly and a lot of our IA's etc are due this week. IB is stressful and a pain in the ass, yes, but still worth it. Most of my friends are in IB as well. Our IB class (about 40 kids) is pretty isolated (incestuous, even). I may have to make more of an effort to make time for other friends, but as long as it's a priority it's not so bad.</p>
<p>I don't think it's a waste of time. It may not be consistent with your choice of career, but that's no fault of the program.</p>
<p>what is the IB?</p>
<p>It's a pre-university two-year course. International Baccalaureate.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ibo.org%5B/url%5D">www.ibo.org</a></p>
<p>I wouldn't say its a waste of time. I'll be finished in May and I've had my fair share of IB hatred, but looking back on it I'm glad I did it and I found it very beneficial for me. I think its different for every person though.</p>
<p>sam here......................three more months..............Then WE ARE DONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Shoot IB ENGLISH ORALS NEXT WEEK! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH</p>
<p>i went through mine and my teachergraded me a 25 so it isn't too bad saying that I have an 80 in that class while trying.</p>
<p>As i am laboring through a ToK essay that I do not really want to write, i feel comfortable saying its not worth it, especially if youre at a HS that has other advanced options (AP, et al.)</p>
<p>So I did IB in high school (Poudre High School, Colorado) and am currently a sophomore at Caltech. While it wasn't always enjoyable, I definitely think it's "worth it." I'm a physics major (surprise), so this comes from someone interesting in physical sciences. </p>
<p>Frankly, many AP courses simply don't go into the depth that a good IB higher level course can. This is especially true for the sciences and math. For example compare IB HL chemistry and AP Chemistry. IB HL Chemistry is essentially an extra year of chemistry (a decent amount of o-chem, and then at least two pretty good optional topics: I suggest further organic, and modern analytical methods). After the first year of IB chem, I was easily able to get a 5 in on the AP test - and the course was even labeled "AP/IB HL I Chemistry." The same is true for comparing HL Math and AP Calc BC, as well as biology. AP Physics C is better than IB HL Physics, because the former uses calculus, but the latter does a pretty good job with breadth. </p>
<p>Anyway, for students who don't have access to university science courses and are aiming towards schools like Caltech or MIT, IB HL science courses are a good preparation.</p>
<p>I'm not as qualified to compare humanity AP and IB courses, but I certainly found IB HL History to be an amazing course, and courses like AP US History seemed much more focused on memorizing dates and names. I'll take analyzing the causes of the Cold War over that any day. </p>
<p>IB HL English seemed pretty comperable to AP Lit, neither of which was really my cup of tea, and I took SL French, which covers what's necessary for the AP test as well.</p>
<p>In general (from my experience), all IB HL courses go an extra year beyond a corresponding AP exam in the same topic, thus giving a nice amount of depth.</p>
<p>I found the rest of IB to be largely superfluous however. ToK was fine - but that's mostly because it was taught by the HL Chemistry teacher, and so he focused on that quite a bit. The extended essay, I didn't really take seriously, but it could be a good opportunity to get some serious research done (in science) if it works out. Most people just do history ones, because they are the most straightforward. The group four project was really dumb - not much more I want to say about that, and CAS didn't require me to do anything extra than I would have otherwise. </p>
<p>I think that's IB in a nutshell, and why I believe if it's offered at a school, any student hoping to get into a top college should definitely be in it.</p>
<p>I'm not in IB, but I'm in a school where I am right now, as a Junior, in my AP classes with IB students. Frankly, I don't see much of a difference. I'll probably end up getting into the same colleges as the IB kids can, and I'll probably get just as many credits. Everyone hates TOK. How many of them are actually going to get a credit-worthy score on their tests? I think it's very telling when I'm doing better in the same classes than 90% of the IB kids. Personally, it also bothers me that I end up having to do stupid IB work (like the extended essay) just because I happen to be in the same class as an AP student, but whatever.</p>
<p>Yes, you're more likely to get credit because AP exams are easy (except for a few). :p</p>
<p>Why are your teachers making you write an EE? It's sent to IBO to be graded, so that doesn't make sense at all. Even the IB Certificate students don't have to write one.</p>
<p>IB English HL > AP English Lit
IB Math Methods SL = AP Calculus AB
IB Math Studies SL < AP Statistics
IB Psychology SL < AP Psychology
IB Math HL > AP Calculus BC
IB Physics SL = AP Physics B
IB Physics HL << AP Physics C
IB Biology HL = AP Biology
IB Chemistry HL >> AP Chemistry
IB [insert foreign language] = AP [insert foreign language]
IB History HL = AP US History + AP European History</p>
<p>holly-golightly3:</p>
<p>I agree that IB won't get any more credit on average than APs. In fact, I'm sure that if your primarily goal in high school is to get credit in college, AP classes ARE the way to go. </p>
<p>That being said, I still think IB gives a better education - especially in terms of depth. The IB students in your classes will all get an extra year on the same subject (and frankly senior year IB is much more interesting - and often more difficult - than junior year), whereas AP students will take a new set of courses senior year. Essentially, it's an issue of breadth versus depth, where AP gives you more for the former, and IB gives you more of the later. </p>
<p>Pedagogically, I personally feel that high school really isnt about learning specifics its about learning how to learn. Theres plenty of time in college and just through living and reading to pick up expository facts. What is more important (as I see it) is to cover fewer subjects, but cover them well in a way which demonstrates how people in a particular field make progress i.e. how scientists, historians, or mathematicians learn within their field. I think students can get closer to that the more they study a specific subject and get to the more interesting/difficult material. </p>
<p>On the issue of you being smarter than 90 percent of the IB students in your classes, thats certainly great for you; however, I dont think thats relevant to assessing whether IB is worth it. I certainly dont think IB kids are smarter than AP kids (or vice versa), I just think the two programs are pedagogically different, and I happen to subscribe to the IB point of view. </p>
<p>You have to write a EE without being in IB? For a class? Thats hilarious.</p>
<p>maaaaayn i just got done with my spanish orals.....freakin owned me</p>
<p>Alright, I definetely don't want to start fight here, but this is one of the biggest problems I have with IB. All of the bigshot IB people at my school claim they're getting this AMAZING education that they'll take with them their entire life and it's so much more IN DEPTH than AP. But really, how true is that? Are you going to be sitting around in your cubicle pushing papers at 40 thinking, "Gee, I'm so glad that I still have the lessons of TOK to take with me!" Please. Spare me. I don't need to do an exorbent amount of extra work to get in depth into a subject. I don't need to listen to some pompous elitist to understand how the world works.</p>
<p>And I don't like AP kids being painted in the light that we are only in it for the college credits. Um, hello, but what do you think the IB kids are interested in? An easier ticket into a good college along with credits, that's what. In hindsight, I understand how my "getting better grades than 90 of the IB kids in my classes" comment sounded, but what I meant was that I put in a lot more effort than the kids who are supposedly going after some 'worldly, incomparable mindset through the way of life that is TOK.' Hmm, yeah, that's why they'll all admit that they're in it for the college credit. That's why they lack the most academic integrity out of all the students I have encountered.</p>
<p>And, on another note, I have to write a 8-10 page paper in my AP/IB English class under the guise of a "research paper" so they can have an excuse to give the IB kids class time for the first part of their EE. Ridiculous.</p>