If any one says anything about AA

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<p>Wow, I love it when people think they know everything about acceptees whom they're clearly jealous of.</p>

<p>"OMG OMG all the unqualified URM's got in but not me. What OMG they don't deserve it. They didn't work hard at all. bad sats. bad grades. bad ec's. bad everything but they still got in. BOO hoo hoo"</p>

<p>Haha, I love these people. They think colleges dont know what theyre doing when they accept an applicant. But somehow these rejected people think that they do.</p>

<p>Enjoy when you finally get rejected. I'll hope to see what blaming other people about your deficiencies (the bad, whining app that got you rejected) will do for you.</p>

<p>Posts by david218:</p>

<p>"A couple URMS who are quite clearly underqualified and did not work very hard in highschool got into some phenonemal schools (columbia included) while I knwo some kdis who worked their asses off and got deferred."</p>

<p>"The reason I think AA is awful is because people like hotpiece, who is clearly extremely well qualified with those stats, will have to put up with people assuming he got in just because of race or whatever."</p>

<p>HAHA. Considering I go to the best school in the world, it's usually the people who think they'll get in because they have the "SAT scores" but nothing else, but then get rejected and start blaming people with average scores/grades but excellent passions for taking their spots.</p>

<p>Get a life, THE COLLEGE DIDN'T WANT YOU IN ITS CLASS, period.</p>

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<p>does this entire rant about being and not being asian actually offend anyone? because it does to me.</p>

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<p>I don't really care, I am who I am and that cant be changed. I'm Asian and I was proud to check the asian box on my application.</p>

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<p>first of all, im not bitter or anything because i'm not even applying to columbia, im just contributing to the discussion here. and im also not talking just about stats or whatever, i know there is way more to the equation than numbers. im saying that the urms i know who got in didnt do any ecs, didnt work hard. the kids who were deferred or rejected did a ton and are extremely passionate about one whatever their "thing" is. i do think its stupid when people say o she just got in cause shes urm because i did 30 points better on sat, and have 3.8 while she has 3.7. thats just dumb...im talking about an entirely different situation however</p>

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<p>I think the problem is people that automatically relate low stat admissions (even average stat admissions) to the applicant's race without even looking at other people's credentials (as happened in the decisions thread) </p>

<p>I don't deny that race does play a factor in the application, and even school admits that they wil take race/location/economical status into account when creating the diversity of the class. but people think race is the explantion ofr everything, then it gets to be a little ridiculous</p>

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<p>The fact that a person with lower stats gets into a good school is not their fault. It is the fault of the college, who can choose whether to accept them or not.</p>

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<p>... talk about assumptions! have you read their entire application? do you actually know the applicant as well as you think? do you think the adcoms at places like columbia would be so inept as to accept someone based on the color of their skin? wow this is amazing.</p>

<p>you think that the things that people post on cc is enough to judge them as applicants. how you can do that i have no clue.</p>

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<p>First of all, stop assuming that colleges are idiots. They have been doing the admissions game for hundreds of years. </p>

<p>The admissions committe knows what it is doing when it accepts someone. They've been reading applications longer than you were born.</p>

<p>Stop whining like babies when colleges decide that they want someone else over you. </p>

<p>An an article by a Reed adcom elaborates on this:</p>

<p><a href="http://web.reed.edu/apply/essay_Paul.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://web.reed.edu/apply/essay_Paul.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Stop being so jealous. Suck it up. </p>

<p>Again, if the college REJECTS YOU, IT DOESN'T WANT YOU.</p>

<p>end of story</p>

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<p>I agree wholeheartedly with you OfEternity</p>

<p>These 17 year olds think theyre smarter than the adcoms. </p>

<p>Haha, sad, real sad.</p>

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<p>It doesn't want some people because it has to fill a socially-acceptable percentage of its student body with students of color to create the veneer of diversity.</p>

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<p>^ I understand, but it is not the applicant's fault that the colleges must "fill a socially-acceptable percentage of its student body with students of color to create the veneer of diversity."</p>

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<p>Correct. Students who benefit from it, good for them. But you have to understand people who are more qualified objectively without race will be upset at the contrived notion of diversity. Furthermore, students of color are now starting to exploit their color, realizing its potential as a "hook."</p>

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<p>How do any of us possibly have the right to call a fellow prospie underqualified? Have you seen these people's essays? Have you read their recs? Sure, AA helps some -- the point is to give some advantage to disadvantaged people, and generally, this system works. Of course there will be a few exceptions, there always are.</p>

<p>And AA is meant to help UNDERREPRESENTED and HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED minorities -- Asians are neither. Most African-Americans go to state/public/community colleges or univiersities, yet they still get affirmative action everywhere. "Concentration" means nothing. Besides, every Asian does not apply to HYP! I know quite a few very intelligent Asians with excellent numbers and ec's, and ONE of them is applying to HYP. I am shocked at the ignorance and prejudice certain people have displayed on this board. Stop trying to find a scapegoat -- the school picked the people it felt it needed to make up its class. DEAL WITH IT.</p>

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<p>It doesn't matter how minorities use their race (as a hook or not). Once again, it is not the fault of the minority that a more qualified person is rejected. The rejected person should have a problem with the college not the minority.</p>

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<p>people have to remember that AA isn't all about race. It can help a person who has low income. and to repeat what some have said, colleges choose who they want, and if they are private, then they pretty much can mold a class however they want it to become.</p>

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<p>let me just establish a rule:</p>

<p>bring us (the thread) the entire applications of two applicants (that means essays, questions, and all) , one AA and one not, and we'll marvel at how little we understand about the college admissions process.</p>

<p>it's almost like none of you went to a columbia info session. they SAY that they add the additional parts to the application for a reason. you know, those parts that ask about the books... and your interests?</p>

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<p>I completely agree OfEternity.</p>

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<p>yea, interests/personalities is what basicaly differentiates everyone. Most will have same stats. so those textboxes are there for a reason.</p>

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<p>people agree with me? great. let's kill this thread.</p>

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<p>First of all, colleges are not looking only for racial diversity which is what most people on CC think.</p>

<p>They want diversity of interests, clubs, passions, etc.</p>

<p>African Americans usually make up less than 5 percent of the applicant pool in ivy league colleges. By simple logic, if blacks know that they would get in much easier, then there would be alot more of them applying. But apparently that's not the case.</p>

<p>Just for example, many applicants, especially Asian applicants, apply to the same exact schools: Ivies, MIT, CIT, stanford....hardly any liberal arts colleges.</p>

<p>So for example, these colleges receive so many asian applicants with the same exact EC's: math awards, math awards, math awards, math club, another math club, classical music, piano, orchestra, more classical music, no athletics at all, no unique activities. The colleges dont want the exact same people so they reject alot of these "stereotypical asians" who have nothing at all that separates them from the rest of the pool. They tend to follow what their parents and friends tell them to do, which ends up for many in the long run, not what they themselves trully show PASSION about.</p>

<p>At Dartmouth and many liberal arts colleges, asians are at an advantage. Asians simply don't apply to those schools. And the ones who do are usually "unstereotypical" and they get accepted at a higher rate.</p>

<p>POINT: DIFFERENTIATE YOURSELF. SHOW PASSION. DON'T FOLLOW THE CROWD.</p>

<p>If your app is the exactly the same as thousands of others, there's gonna be a much higher chance that you'll get rejected.</p>

<p>And when these people do get rejected, what do they do? They whine and start pointing fingers. And who do these people think is the easiest to point fingers to? URM's.</p>

<p>Maybe if these kids actually had THEIR OWN PASSIONS then they may have fared better.</p>

<p>But they don't so they go on blaming people when the colleges deny them, pretty much saying I DONT WANT YOU IN MY CLASS. </p>

<p>So if you see people crying over URM's, then you know that they are usually these kinds of people who will be flat out rejected anyway.</p>

<p>People who don't follow the crowd don't need to blame others. If they dont rely on other people to tell them what to do, why would they now have to blame others for what happens to them? They don't.</p>