If being gay is completely natural, how come they cannot reproduce?

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<p>How can gays say "yeah, theres nothing unnatural in being gay"? If it was natural, then a man could impregnate another man for example.</p>

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<p>If being a woman is completely natural, why can't some women reproduce (with another man, of course)?</p>

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<p>GGGGahhhh. With that same reasoning, evolution isn't "natural" as there isn't a given cookie-cutter for how species' sexual reproduction evolves. There are animals that can impregnate themselves. Furthermore, inability to reproduce is not limited to homosexual individuals, neither do heterosexuals desire and love each other for offspring alone - and homosexual URGES, if not reproduction, are EXTREMELY natural. Ever heard of the gay penguins in the Berlin zoo? The lesbian practices of apes? Hell, you ever read a history book - homosexuality in early Western culture was considered something far more noble, pleasurable and pure than love between a man and a woman!</p>

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<p>...and that was my 1-paragraph crash course in "how to get it all off your chest, fully knowing it in 67% likelihood will never be absorbed."</p>

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<p>ummm...are you arguing, then, that an atom isn't natural? That is, they can't reproduce; atoms don't split like cells...but being the basic structure of all things...how can they not be natural? </p>

<p>You're argument is flawed.</p>

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<p>Nothing worse than pitiful logic. Makes me sick to my stomach.</p>

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<p>I think Dima, without being very critical of his own assumptions and their origin, believes that Nature has a Plan for Man. What he/she defines as "natural" gets morphed into what is culturally accepted, and organized into oversimplified dichotomies (for example, the idea that there are two distinct sexes did not really take root until the 18th century).</p>

<p>If anything, I think I'll get to practice my vocabulary in this thread before it blows up or dies out :)</p>

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<p>All i'm saying is that gays are normal human beings that defy nature by saying that going against it is completely normal. If it was normal, with as long as humans existed, evolution would have adjusted the species to include the possibility of same-sex reproduction.
Actually, evolution is against gays. They die off without normal people.</p>

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If it was normal, with as long as humans existed, evolution would have adjusted the species to include the possibility of same-sex reproduction.

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<p>why? why would evolution insist on making it possible for same-sex reporduction? There are gay animals everwhere, it's not just humans. Just because they can't reproduce in no way means they are against nature.</p>

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<p>How exactly do you define "nature"? What's it do? What's it mean to say something is "natural"? To me, using those terms is just a way of trying to justify and de-politicize a belief that is fundamentally political. FEW of the things we do are natural -- homosexuality is more "natural" than wearing clothes, if looking at the animal kingdom gets to be an indication of what is and isn't normal (i.e. frequently occurring - any other definition immediately oversteps its bounds).</p>

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<p>Human bodies are built to function in certain ways. This includes the nervous and the endocrine systems. While heterosexual urges carry the function of stimulating reproduction, homosexual urges are not. How come being a kleptomaniac or a murderer is considered abnormal, but being gay isn't?</p>

<p>And my argument has zero relation to politics. So please don't start that.</p>

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How come being a kleptomaniac or a murderer is considered abnormal, but being gay isn't?

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<p>Because the former two don't constitute approximately a tenth of the population?</p>

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<p>So is that your measure of being normal?
And that is very arguable to say the least. Majority of population has some kind of an abnormality in their behavior, we don't have to limit it to the two I mentioned.</p>

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<p>Well that is the million dollar question isn't it? :) It's normal enough that a significant number of people have adopted the practice, and I'd wager that another percentage of the population would be less concerned about whether they were "gay" were it not for our current social customs. </p>

<p>But yes, in terms of biology and natural selection, I think you're right. Being gay is not "natural," though I'd guess that's because the percentage of gay people in the human population is small enough that natural selection has not needed to act to make gay people capable of reproduction, certainly when the 90% hetero population is having no trouble keeping us going.</p>

<p>Note: We are going along with your definition of natural, which is something that is capable of reproduction.</p>

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<p>"How can gays say "yeah, theres nothing unnatural in being gay"? If it was natural, then a man could impregnate another man for example."</p>

<p>As long as they aren't trying to impregnate you, why worry? Should leave you less competition.</p>

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<p>Urges to kill your own species or even your offspring serve no evolutionary/reproductive purpose that we know of, either. Yet it happens throughout the animal kingdom, as in spiders eating their mates, lions and apes tearing their own offspring up, postpartum psychosis in human females causing mental or even violent rejection of babies. </p>

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How come being a kleptomaniac or a murderer is considered abnormal, but being gay isn't?

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<p>"Kleptomaniac" and "murderer" are social definitions that vary across history and culture. Homosexuality does not, and is not even confined to primates (apes-humans). Hence the acknowledgment that it is as natural a phenomena as anything else in the animal world.</p>

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<p>you deserve to go to Yale, my friend. ;)</p>

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<p>Ancient Sparta (P.S. The movie 300 was stupid and full of inaccuracies :p)
Kids were trained from the cradle to become warriors. They were assigned a mentor, commonly known as erastis, which means lover. They had intimate relationships with each other, and at battle, they were assigned positions right next to each other. It was considered to be completely normal.</p>

<p>Also, all males go through a homosexual period in their lives, either consciously or not. You might be too young to understand it, but it is a recorded fact. The reason why we have homosexuals is because some of the boys never complete their homosexual period.</p>

<p>Lastly, pederasty was actually applauded and encouraged in Ancient Macedonia. For example, Alexander's intimate relationship with one of his closest friends was encouraged, but was supposed to end when he turned 18, thus suitable for marriage.</p>

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<p>frrrph, do you still want to marry me? =). because you are awesome, and you keep saying everything I want to say.</p>

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<p>iPods aren't natural.</p>

<p>Computers aren't natural.</p>

<p>Microwaves aren't natural.</p>

<p>Non-organic food isn't natural.</p>