<p>"What I don't understand is why the liar is telling people. Perhaps an unconscious desire to be caught (doesn't want that particular school but is being pressured to apply, for instance)? Or is trying to avoid feeling guilty by spreading the blame as it were by blabbing -- "everyone knows and no one has a problem with it?" </p>
<p>I do think it's the latter: The liar feels guilty, and by telling others is trying to find out if others share their values. When other people say nothing about the lie's being wrong, the liar assumes that silence means the others agree with the liar's actions.</p>
<p>All of you morally indignant, self righteous, do gooders need to chill out. I've down about 20 applications and have yet to lie. I do estimate my EC hours but it is not like I kept a log, so it is my only option. I do keep my estimates conservative but if somebody else wants to overshoot- I don't care, it is between them and the college. I have no pity for all the truth tellers whose spots get taken. It may happen to me and if that college doesn't want me, I don't want them. I don't just want to be some spot to fill. So everyone mind your own business, you did not witness any great crime. As for the OP, you have no idea how many hours they have put forth and the president thing is not even a question. Concentrate more on building your own resume and less on verifying the accuracy of others.</p>
<p>Mind our own business? We "do gooders" (better than "bad doers" I always thought ...) didn't start this post. People's opinions were sought and we are offering them.</p>
<p>It is strange that it is seemingly OK to defend lying but somehow objectionable to defend telling the truth. Just because an ethical issue doesn't affect me personally doesn't mean I'm not entitled to express an opinion when the issue comes up on a public forum for discussion.</p>
<p>you gave your opinion and I gave mine, no more no less. I don't defend lying and I don't object to telling the truth but when you do not have any evidence besides your own suspicions that it is indeed the truth, you should keep it to yourself. Express away and I was pretty clear that I believe it can affect you.</p>
<p>... So what have you got to say about that person who approached the president of the club and outright said they claimed to be the VP when he/she clearly hadn't been? That's obviously not a gray area no one is not sure about. You either are or aren't. This isn't a don't-have-"any evidence besides your own suspicions that it is indeed the truth" situation.</p>
<p>Anyways. Resume building? :) It's senior year and apps are all in. It's time to pat yourself on the back and take a break for a couple months.</p>
<p>callthe, you should. wow, i only transferred twice in my high school career! but i ddi transfer 4 times in my middle school career(beat ya: ) I need to send colleges an addendum too, cuz i have stuffs to add.</p>
<p>the person who started this post-how is that a lie? well, i feel stupid now, because i put "co-founder" on my app. i could've totally put "founder".</p>
<p>Wow I did not even realize that people lied on their applications. Thats so depressing. That means that the people who lied are going to have an advantage over the honest people who have integrity. </p>
<p>I wouldn't say anything, because honestly it just makes you look bad, or as though you were being nosy. That sort of a thing is irrelevent to a person's admissions, because a couple more hours or co-president rather than president is so minute in the overall package. And people who lie to get admitted always get what they deserve in the end. Or at least, that's what I believe.</p>
<p>dude..i am sick of people like you that snitch. this should not even be up for debate. i applied to all the ivy leagues. EVERYONE I KNOW EXAGGERATES. if you don't exaggerate too bad for you. it is an accepted fact. if it is against your morals, well then go to community college. getting into college is how you play the game, not totally what your grades are. Playing the game is real life, and college is your first step to real life. listen and learn. period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11</p>
<p>Mmhmm well it's pretty simple, alexinorbit. If you're a thief, you couldn't possibly condemn stealing would you? It's cynics like you that cause our world to be so riddled with crime. And it's the idealists who are out to try and make it better. Do as you wish, but if you're sick of and I quote, "people like you that snitch," well sweetie, that's only because you don't want to get caught. Thieves don't like policemen. It's okay. We understand.</p>
<p>anything u deemed passable is still a fib. Its not excusable at all...
My EC's may not be 100% as I had to average a lot. But if they are off, its by accident and not purposeful evilness</p>