<p>Well then you’re getting in the exact mechanism of a dream, which is not completely been determined. So a dream is a weak example tbqh. IDK. I think I’m going to put this aside for now.</p>
<p>Yeah, but one needs to have had experiences to base the random bits off. My dreams (the ones I remember at least) may not make sense, but they are people I know doing things I have heard of or seen doing.</p>
<p>I would have my guy push me down the stairs.</p>
<p>regardless, it was a really interesting article.</p>
<p>It really wasn’t meant to be a debating point. It was kind of an off-hand remark.</p>
<p>I highly doubt that a 3 year old can “survive independently.”</p>
<p>So we’re allowed to kill toddlers off too?</p>
<p>Hmm off-hand remark which is common support for those against abortion. It’s definitely a debatable issue. lol</p>
<p>^ I am not against abortion. I will have one if my test comes back positive tomorrow.</p>
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<p>It physically can survive away from another living being (meaning, the mom can leave the toddler in a room and it will still survive for a while). A fetus cannot be separated from a host or else it will die.</p>
<p>Yay for proxy debates</p>
<p>Since I don’t plan to have sex until I get married, and am somewhat uncomfortable with even the idea of that (probable asexuality FTW!), an unplanned pregnancy would mean I was raped. Though it wouldn’t be the fetus’ fault and on a personal* level, I’m not really too cool with abortion, I would probably have one. I don’t think I could deal with the emotional, physical, and psychosomatic effects of carrying a product of rape. And some of my lifestyle choices would likely lead to miscarriage, stillbirth, or a really unhealthy infant.</p>
<p>*I don’t really know how to phrase what I mean by “on a personal level.” Basically, in any vote, I would support a woman’s legal right to have an abortion, but, to quote Margaret Sanger, I want a world where “children are wanted before they are conceived,” and will actively pursue the realization of such.</p>
<p>As someone who’s been raped, I can tell you that you can barely deal with the scars let alone carrying the rape for 9 months.</p>
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In the end they will die from the same cause, an inability to acquire basic resources. The only factor is time.</p>
<p>^ But they can survive, even if for a short time, independently. Everyone who dies has lived for some time period independent of a host. A fetus cannot survive naturally without a host (in the first trimester, which when most abortions are).</p>
<p>Well the only way a toddler would be able to survive is by using about it’s energy reserves from food consumed prior to this. But then I suppose you get in to the argument, do we really still have survival instincts. Meaning would the toddler actively try to search out for food? Or actually, at that stage wouldn’t it still cry for it’s mother to bring it some food? Now, seeing as there is no mother, it will not obtain whatever required nutrients and will in turn die. As a result, the baby is still at a stage where is dependent on the mother for survival. Albeit, in a different manner, dependency is still present.</p>
<p>^ meadow I know you are not dumb but your arguments are making no sense. Independent means you can survive physically detached from your host (parent). Physically, the mother and child never have to touch once they are out of the womb. A fetus cannot survive without being hooked up to blood or surrounded in amniotic fluid (except SOMETIMES by modern science, but modern science isn’t natural). Therefore, they are dependent (PHYSICALLY) on a PHYSICAL connection with its mother and its mother’s nutrients. </p>
<p>Now stop because your arguments make no sense and you know it (on a biological level).</p>
<p>Breast milk?</p>
<p>^ Not a necessity. I was not breast fed and I survived just fine.</p>
<p>but someone gave you a substitute, right?</p>
<p>^ Yes, but once again, I survived without the host. Physically, I was independent. I was not dependent on the nutrients that my mother constantly provided for me from her own body (ie, I did not feed off of her, I was a separate, independent organism unlike fetuses in the womb). </p>
<p>Now I am going to bed because I have a feeling you are arguing just to argue TCBH.</p>