<p>bluejay,</p>
<p>I understand your concern, but that's just the way it is.</p>
<p>Best of luck to you!</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>
<p>Thanks for the link, Justin. I'll be anxious to run the numbers on the financial aid calculator and compare them to the FAFSA.</p>
<p>Justin, Any idea what the year looks like for Lafayette applications? My daughter has applied and is hopeful, but I hear it is such a brutal year in admissions offices. It's very frustrating from our vantage point, but I'm sure just as frustrating in admissions offices, as they have no idea who is a "true" applicant and who is not. Thanks....</p>
<p>ivoryk,</p>
<p>Yes, college admissions continues to get more competitive year after year. There seems to be no end in sight to this cycle of madness!</p>
<p>To tell you the truth, I haven't spent the time I usually dedicate to researching the "competiveness" of this year's admissions cycle. However, I do know that admissions officers expect over 6,000 applications (for 600 first-year spaces).</p>
<p>I would think that we'd shoot for admitting around a third of applicants. Usually, our acceptance rate hovers around 35-36%, but we need to be sure not to overenroll with this year's class. The Class of 2010 ended up with exactly 630 students...more applicants than anticipated accepted the offer!</p>
<p>The giant print-out lists of admissions decisions are just beginning to circulate around the Office of Admissions. I'll see what I can discern next time I'm in (probably Thursday afternoon) and provide any additional thoughts shortly thereafter.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>
<p>Justin you do such a great job counseling CCers.</p>
<p>Hoping you can answer my questions (asking for a friend) or direct to where I might find this information.</p>
<p>I am interested in ED stats for accepted students-usually the schools print something in their newspapers with the most recent data. I haven't seen this in the Laf, yet.</p>
<p>Do you have the recent number of ED applicants for this year, is it up much?
Also, the stats of the ED acceptees vs the RD acceptees, trying to understand just how much applying ED helps the applicant. </p>
<p>Thanks, Justin</p>
<p>SouthJerseyChessMom,</p>
<p>The data you are interested in has yet to be officially compiled. As soon as it is, however, it will be available on our website and in our updated admissions booklets.</p>
<p>I do know that ED applications are up, but by exactly how much, I'm not entirely sure as of yet. Since not all decisions have been made, I would not be able to provide ED vs. RD admissions rates for this admissions cycle. Just know that ED applicants are accepted at a much higher rate than RD applicants (and don't let admissions officers fool you into thinking it's because the ED pool is "more competitive" in any way). </p>
<p>A rough estimate might be: 35% of RD pool admitted, 60% of ED pool admitted. Yes, the difference is really that pronounced! We just like to admit students we know we can count on attending in the fall, which also prevents drastic overenrollment.</p>
<p>By the time our school newspaper publishes the data in print and online at thelaf.com, the whole world already knows! </p>
<p>Did your friend apply to Lafayette ED or RD? I'm just curious!</p>
<p>As soon as I find out any information, I'll be sure to let you know. As you might imagine, it takes time for the data to be compiled and disseminated.</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>
<p>Justin, thanks so much. The applicant is a junior and will be attending the Open House in the spring. </p>
<p>I have looked around the Lafayette web site for last year's ED data, acceptance rates, SAT data, ect, and unable to locate it. Can you tell me where to find last year's data? </p>
<p>Do you know if last year's comparison numbers are on the site? </p>
<p>Lafayette is a great school, and I am very excited to share those ED vs RD rates you mentioned. I will probably have more questions as things move along. Great to know you are here to help!</p>
<p>SouthJerseyChessMom,</p>
<p>Hey, maybe we'll meet during the Open House. I will definitely be leading at least one tour that day!</p>
<p>The previous year's data is no longer available on the Lafayette website. All that remains are the applicant numbers and SAT Profile for the Class of 2010 at the following page: <a href="http://www.lafayette.edu/admissions/requirements.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.lafayette.edu/admissions/requirements.html</a></p>
<p>Come to think of it, I remember overhearing admissions officers saying they did not think they would publish admissions numbers online anymore. However, they can still be found in the literature. I'll see what I can dig up in the office on Monday.</p>
<p>I'm here if you think of any other questions.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>
<p>SouthJerseyChessMom,</p>
<p>As promised, here are the data for the Class of 2010:</p>
<p>ED Applications: 395
ED Acceptances: 269
ED Acceptance Rate: 68.1%</p>
<p>RD Applications: 5,480
RD Acceptances: 1,900
RD Acceptance Rate: 34.7%</p>
<p>You can thank the admissions literature for this information. My estimations were pretty close, no?</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>
<p>Justin: You really were close! I am surprised at the high rate of ED admissions. I certainly see how it helps everyone in the process: the college and the applicants. Well, all except the RD applicant.</p>
<p>Next questions: Is there any data to indicate the % of scholarships going to ED vs RD? Any data comparing stats of ED applicants vs RD applicants?</p>
<p>We were very quite confident about gaining admission and thought there was a decent chance at some merit money but now I'm not so sure.</p>
<p>Thanks, again for all of your good information.</p>
<p>bluejay,</p>
<p>Yes, the difference between ED and RD acceptance rates is quite striking!</p>
<p>I will see what information I can locate regarding the percentage of merit scholarships offered to ED vs. RD applicants. I do know that 15% of total applicants are offered either a Marquis or Trustee Scholarship, but beyond that, I must do a little research! As I have stated previously, the scholarships are used mainly to attract stronger RD candidates, who are often deciding between a few amazing offers.</p>
<p>There is no published data comparing stats of ED vs. RD applicants that I would have easy access to. I know for a fact that the pools are comparable in terms of SAT scores, GPAs, class rankings, etc., contrary to the claims of admissions officers everywhere. If anything, applicants will apply ED to make up for below average stats, knowing that they still have a chance of gaining admission when the rate is so high (68.1%).</p>
<p>I'll provide additional information early next week.</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>
<p>Justin,
It seems to me that ED applicants are not concerned with money, that's why colleges like them. Many of us have to make cold hard decisions based on scholarship offers. Isn't this just a way to fill the school with rich kids? </p>
<p>I admire the Ivy league for dumping such an obvious class based screening process.</p>
<p>One more clarification: 15% of all applicants are offered scholarships or 15% of admitted applicants?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>bluejay,</p>
<p>15% of ADMITTED applicants are offered one of our merit-based scholarships. Of those 15%, a smaller percentage will actually take the offer and decide to enroll.</p>
<p>Sorry for any confusion!</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>
<p>TurtlePhobic,</p>
<p>I have commented on the benefits of having an ED admissions policy in place in previous posts. Just to reiterate, having an ED policy in place is a great way to prevent vast overenrollment. Also, it allows the average applicant to demonstrate their interest in attending, thus increasing their chances of admission.</p>
<p>For those who must wait to balance financial aid packages, ED is unfair. I can definitely agree with you on that point.</p>
<p>The Ivys will ALWAYS be dominated by rich kids. Eliminating ED policies promises to "level the playing field", so to speak, but it does not eliminate legacy admits and admits from well-to-do families. In today's society, the rich are afforded certain privileges and a single change in admissions policy will do nothing to sway the opinions of high-minded admissions officers.</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>
<p>Justin, thanks so much for your timely information. I searched the web site, yet again this morning, and was unable to locate this information myself.</p>
<p>I am passing this along to the junior applicant. </p>
<p>Any chance you know the average SAT range for ED accepted applicants?</p>
<p>SouthJerseyChessMom,</p>
<p>As I stated in post #452, "There is no published data comparing stats of ED vs. RD applicants that I would have easy access to."</p>
<p>Just to let you know, the median SAT range for admitted applicants is 1240-1420 (Verbal & Math). Admissions officers at Lafayette continue to emphasize that they do not consider the Writing section scores in making decisions (although they are published...)</p>
<p>I would imagine the SAT range is comparable for ED applicants.</p>
<p>Our website is horribly designed and does not contain much information. FYI, most of the information I share on these boards I locate in printed admissions literature.</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>
<p>SouthJerseyChessMom,</p>
<p>I was sorting through all of the admissions booklets in my vast collection of literature, and was able to scrounge up this information!</p>
<p>The chart in the brochure looks something like this (sorry for the formatting):</p>
<p>Highest SAT /// CR /// M /// W
700-800 /// 5% /// 19% /// 7%
600-690 /// 43% /// 54% /// 41%
500-590 /// 45% /// 23% /// 45%
Below 500 /// 8% /// 4% /// 8%</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the applicant pool in consideration contains the data of 395 ED applicants for the Class of 2010.</p>
<p>Compare this chart to the SAT Profile of ALL applicants admitted into the Class of 2010, which includes both RD and ED candidates: <a href="http://www.lafayette.edu/admissions/requirements.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.lafayette.edu/admissions/requirements.html</a>. Taking into consideration the vast difference in the ED vs. RD applicant pools, it seems to me that standards are slightly lowered for ED applicants. Would you agree?</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>
<p>Justin wonderful info:
So this is the ED data from last year?
Highest SAT Critical Reading, Math, Writing
700-800 5% 19% 7%
600-690 43% 54% 41%
500-590 45% 23% 45%
Below 500 8% 4% 8%</p>
<p>And I will compare that to your link for combined ED / RD data</p>
<p>SAT Profile of Admitted
Applicants in the Class of 2010 combined ED/ RD
Critical Reading Math Writing
700-800 .............. 530 ............... 911.....567
650-690 ............. 562.................588.... 589
600-640 ................ 589 ................388.... 506
550-590 .................294.................155 ... 257
500-540 ................ 97.................. 52 .....115
450-490.................. 35...................16..... 37
Below 450................. 8 ...................4...... 13 </p>
<p>out of total accepted 2,169</p>
<p>SouthJerseyChessMom,</p>
<p>Yes, that is data from last year's admissions cycle (Class of 2010 students).</p>
<p>If you have the time and inclination to figure out the average SAT score/range for the ED applicant pool, go for it! You have all the data that is required for the calculation.</p>
<ul>
<li>Justin</li>
</ul>