<p>lindalana, I agree with you. Also, I looked at the oos costs not too long ago. I thought to myself, with these prices, why would you run to this school from oos anyway. Without a merit scholarship, you would be better off at a private school with merit money.</p>
<p>Complaints from residents of northern Virginia about access to the U of Virginia has been around for a long time. And objectively speaking, the complainers are probably right. Just as southside and central Virginians were correct about 20 years ago when they pointed out that more than a few of their top students were rejected by the UVA admissions committee.</p>
<p>The situation regarding admissions at the U of Virginia is an interesting mix of politics, history and economics. While "the new economy" of the state has been situated in the DC suburbs for a long time, Virginia's old time powerbrokers have held sway from places like Roanoke, Martinsville and the Hampton Roads areas. UVA is quite revered in those areas as "Mr. Jefferson's University," More so than William & Mary. And UVA is by leaps and bounds more revered than Virginia Tech. As a state with a legacy of legal segregation, considerations of race also factor into the admissions process. Remember, for years Virginia's state colleges were subject to a court desegration order to redress Jim Crow prohibitions on integrated education. Today much of Virginia's black population remains situated outside of NOVA in the above noted communities. And many well-heeled UVA alumni who are stereotyped as "VFF," Virginia First Families, also tend not to be from NOVA. Thus, the perception of regional imperatives in the UVA admissions process is valid.</p>
<p>What year was that Washington Post article published?
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Though 57 percent of legacies gained admission, compared with 50 percent of non-legacies, they also had somewhat higher test scores than other applicants.
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These numbers are VERY outdated (the article says 2000-2002).
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"We try to be fair and consistent across the state," Blackburn said, cautioning that standardized test scores, which are significantly higher among Northern Virginia applicants, do not give the full picture of a candidate's merit. U-Va. also looks at essays, leadership qualities, intellectual achievement and life experiences.</p>
<p>If anything, Blackburn suggested, U-Va. officials may grant an edge to Northern Virginia -- admitting students with lower class ranks than they might otherwise "because of our respect for the quality of the [high] schools."
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Q4T
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the rumors of "anti-NoVa" bias looms large by the time they get around to applying.
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I hate these rumors. Absolutely false.
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do you realize that only 8% of UVA's budget comes from the state of Virginia??
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Q4T again. I don't think the ratio should change, but this is an important point.</p>
<p>dajada's numbers are much more accurate than the Washington Post's.</p>
<p>Back to the topic at hand: Does anyone know why UIUC is 10% out of state?</p>
<p>Yes, 10% strikes me as low as well. Particularly for a school so well respected in computer science, electrical engineering, and other areas. </p>
<p>I grew up in some small towns in Illinois and at that time it was the place to be, but often thought unreachable. Most kids set their sights on SIU, WIU, NIU, or ISU (never knew anyone who went to EIU). It was only the lucky, very smart few who attended U of I as it was called. I remember in H S a kid being accepted to Harvard (the only one in the school's history) and being asked if he chose Harvard because he couldn't get into U of I. The "common folk" loved that university and considered it THE authority. Indeed, all universities in small town Illinois were looked upon with great respect, and attending any of them was considered quite the accomplishment and was greatly respected. It just sounds to me that UIUC is trying to recapture that persona, more power to them.</p>
<p>Looks like it's 10% not because of imposed ceilings, but due to lack of OOS demand:</p>
<p>What percentage of undergraduates are from out-of-state?
Approximately 10 percent of our undergraduates are nonresidents. Out-of-state students are evaluated against the same criteria used for in-state students.</p>
<p>The solution is simple: The University of Illinois should build a new campus on the beach, to attract more bright young students who will want to go there for the sun and.... Oh. Illinois. Never mind.</p>
<p>Actually the Lake Michigan beaches are pretty nice. Evanston/Northwestern beach in summer was a blast and the water was as warm or warmer than Malibu. Now the sun thing is a little spotty.</p>
<p>Having lived in Chicago for 4 winters, I can agree about the sun thing being a little spotty. There is also just a bit of concern about temperatures from September through May.</p>
<p>So market the school to Australians.</p>
<p>only 10% of UIUC students are out-of state?
I find that hard to believe frankly because 4 students from B'lore have been accepted at UIUC this year. Thats a LOT actually considering that many many more from other countries and states would have been accepted.</p>
<p>Since the enrollment at UIUC is over 30,000 that makes the out-of state enrollment about 3000, 4 out of 3000 doesn't seem so large a number.</p>
<p>it's possible you might see UVA and W&M move closer to a 1/1 ratio with the new legislation that was approved.</p>
<p>Quick comment on the U Cal system. </p>
<p>All of the UC campuses are controlled by one board of regents. The University Office of the President has traditionally had a lot of power, although some decentralization is beginning to occur. It even has its own website: <a href="http://www.ucop.edu%5B/url%5D">www.ucop.edu</a></p>
<p>What this means is that the UC campuses have been centrally managed, even to the point that UCOP contols program offerings. On top of that, in 1960, the CA legislature passed a master plan for higher education that delineated roles for various parts of the higher ed system (<a href="http://www.ucop.edu/acadinit/mastplan/mp.htm)%5B/url%5D">http://www.ucop.edu/acadinit/mastplan/mp.htm)</a>, so this stuff there has been pretty tightly managed even beyond the UC system. Keep in mind that their system has three parts: UC, CSU and community colleges.</p>
<p>So I don't think it fair to compare that system to the situation in IL.</p>
<p>Just as an FYI - ALL state uni's in NC have an 18% ceiling for OOS students - that is all 16 of them - not just UNC-CH - state mandated.</p>
<p>I think that's how it should be. Public colleges should all have a cap on OOS. If it doesn't hurt Chapel Hill's rank then it won't hurt UVa and W&M. </p>
<p>The public schools of all states should primarily serve instate residents, then a SMALL percentage of OOS. We all know that OOS public schools total costs are still a bargain as compared to private; approx. 30k: 45K.</p>
<p>I grew up outside of Boston. In my suburban hs, back in the day, nobody went to "ZooMass" if we could help it. I am thankful I live in VA now that I have a child about to head off to college. Although she opted for the private route, many of her classmates were restricted by their parents to only go to a public VA school. This did not happen in Mass. VA, NC and others have amazing public schools for university level education and it should be primarily reserved for their tax-paying residents.</p>
<p>MOTHERDEAR - funny you should say that about 'zoomass' - it still has that rep - neither of my MA resident kiddos would even consider going to any of the UMASS's - especially 'zoomass/amherst' - both went off too OOS schools - 1 to a VA private and 1 to a NC public - much better deals all round for both. UMASS is no bargain even for in-state students.</p>
<p>And UMASS/Amherst is now trying to do the same - to increase it's rank by increasing the standards of admission for in-staters - and accepting alot of OOS's - so many MA kids now are being left in the lurches as well - it is no longer a shoe-in school by any means - and getting more expensive by the semeser. uughh</p>
<p>JeepMom, </p>
<p>My kid is headed this fall to where your boy went.</p>
<p>Ironically at my private PA college back in the Jurassic period, there were a lot of students from NY,NJ who said UMass was really hard to get into from their state. </p>
<p>The problem with VA schools is that UVA and William and Mary are not not "pretty sure" schools for I-S kids with really good gpas and scores. We have 2 really strong public nationally ranked public universities and several other "good" public ones but no private university. There are good LACs but that's not what everybody is seeking.</p>
<p>"Does anyone know why UIUC is 10% out of state?"</p>
<p>It is not a reflection that it is harder to get in for OOS. Illinois does not have any cap on number of OOS that can be enrolled. Moreover, UIUC evaluates OOS and in-state on the same basis (you don't need higher grades and scores if OOS). It is actually a reflection that only about 10 to 12% of the applicants to UIUC are OOS.</p>
<p>Also, the 10% is overall. For engineering that percentage is closer to 25% and business closer to 20%. Those two programs are the most known to OOS and thus get a higher percentage of applicants.</p>
<p>Sometimes the caps are unstated but are there as something of a gentleman's agreement between the state legislature (or other governing body overseeing the university) and the institution itself. This is the current situation with U-Michigan.</p>