<p>Is it harder to gain OOS acceptance to UM when compared to IS? Where is this information documented?</p>
<p>As a freshmen, it is harder to gain admittance OOS than Instate. The reason is because University of Michigan is a public state school, unlike the private schools which are all private funding.</p>
<p>I'm not sure where the exact data is though.</p>
<p>There is no exact data (that I know of) for admission stats for OOS vs in-state...</p>
<p>The only data is that about 65% of the students are from in-state, and 35% from OOS...I think (don't quote me on it, I'm guessing off my memory)</p>
<p>It is harder, but it is not documented anywhere.</p>
<p>65% instate and 35% out is correct.</p>
<p>65% vs 35% is not the acceptance rate of out and in-staters, it's just the make-up of the undergraduate student body. 65% come from the state of Michigan and 35% do not. There really isn't a way of knowing what percentage of in-staters and out-of-staters are accepted.</p>
<p>that's what I meant....</p>
<p>well, from what a counselor told me, they reserve half the spots in the freshman class for instate and half for OOS. So, OOS gets more competitive as more and more people become aware of u-m.</p>
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<p>That's not correct information, unfortunately.</p>
<p>For "class of 2006" (graduating 2010):
<a href="http://www.admissions.umich.edu/fastfacts.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.admissions.umich.edu/fastfacts.html</a></p>
<p>25,733 Applications
12,196 Admissions
5,399 Enrolled</p>
<p>Well over half of the applicants were out-of-state and yet only made up ~35% of enrolled. So although never written, I calculate once the <em>acceptance rate</em> for out-of-staters is about 30% versus 70% or so for in-staters [ballpark numbers, should be within about 5 percentage points]. This averages out to about a 50% acceptance rate overall.</p>
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<p>The below is just a mathematical example, these are NOT using hard numbers.</p>
<p>For a simplified example, if you assumed it was 60% out-of-state applicants and 40% in-state applied. In actuality, out-of-staters make up >50% of applicants, but how much more I don't recall.</p>
<p>15600 applied out-of-state
10400 applied in-state
Total applied: 26000</p>
<p>4680 admitted out-of-staters (30% acceptance rate)
7280 admitted in-staters (70% acceptance rate)
Total admitted: 11960</p>
<p>1872 enrolled out-of-state (40% yield) => percentage: 34%
3640 enrolled in-state (50% yield) => percentage: 66%
Total enrolled: 5512</p>
<p>I am unsure what the actual out-of-state vs in-state yield is. In-state would logically be higher since it's a good deal, financially. The above numbers (26000 applied, 12000 admitted, 5500 accepted) fits the general trend using the real numbers at top.</p>
<p>That's not quite right--don't forget that yield is different for those two groups. If Michigan wants to enroll 10 students, it would have to admit more admit more nonresidents to get those 10 than it would to get 10 residents.</p>
<p>Ok, fixed the numbers a bit.</p>
<p>The below is just a mathematical example, using the hard numbers above. The numbers in parentheses are my <em>guesses</em> on what actual numbers are.</p>
<p>15440 applied out-of-state (60%, a guess. do know this is >50%)
10293 applied in-state (40%, a guess)
Total applied: 25733 [agrees with real numbers]</p>
<p>5095 admitted out-of-staters (33% acceptance rate, a guess)
7102 admitted in-staters (69% acceptance rate, a guess)
Total admitted: 12197 [agrees with real numbers]
Acceptance rate: 47.4% [agrees with real numbers]</p>
<p>1834 enrolled out-of-state (36% yield) => percentage OOS: 34% [agrees with real numbers]
3551 enrolled in-state (50% yield) => percentage in-state: 66% [agrees with real numbers]
Total enrolled: 5385 [within 0.3% of real number]</p>
<p>I am unsure what the actual out-of-state vs in-state yield is. In-state would logically be higher since it's a good deal, financially. These numbers are incredibly close to the real numbers and are based off my best estimates.</p>
<p>In state yield is 70% OOS is 25%</p>
<p>Where did you find the yield numbers?</p>
<p>This post comes from the "Is Michigan Weak in Any Way?"
thread . . .</p>
<p>Buried in the text of the New York Times, 1/26/07, ("Colleges Regroup on Diversity Efforts"):</p>
<p>". . . the University of Michigan, where two-thirds of the applicants are from out of state."</p>
<p>If true, that means about 17,300 out-of-state (OOS) applications per year, and 8500 in-state.</p>
<p>UM's actual enrollment for the fall '06 freshmen class was 3428 MI students, 1971 OOS.</p>
<p>So if somebody would just break into the UM admissions office's top-secret vault and get the yield rates --broken down by in-state and OOS -- one could then better answer the proverbial question: "What are my odds on getting into Michigan if I live in Illinois? . . . "W. Bloomfield?" etc.</p>
<p>UM should open up the vault. Right now the admissions office is less than candid with the many out-of-state applicants who ponder, ineffectually, mushy UM admissions data that doesn't address their particular, highly competitive situations.</p>
<p>Assuming the recent posts are at all coorect and the 25 % yield is close to accurate then the acceptance rate is in the 40+% range for out of state. Of course that is misleading because Michigan cost is getting close (for OOS) to that at HYPS (tuiton that is) and the school is perceived (like Berkeley) to be a top national. Thus the pool is self-selective, often consisting of "top 20" university" calibur applicants who apply to top privates and those who think they can land one of the many large out of state merit scholarships. Both of the above would also contribute to low yield. It would be interesting to compare the stats of the in-state and out of state applicants. I am assuming the in-state range is much broader. (Interstingly enough one might think the acceptance rate at UCB for OOS would be lower then it is given that there are only 6% OOS students enrolled. Again the self selection and cost come into play).</p>
<p>Valawe, could you provide the source for the yield rates? I've never seen them and they'd be required to get a definitive understanding of all the numbers (which as far as I know have never been released) for enrollment, acceptances, and applicants.</p>
<p>Using round numbers from the class admitted for 2006:</p>
<h1>Applicants</h1>
<p>Out-of-state: 17200 (67% of applicants -- not a hard number)
In-state: 8500 (33% of applicants -- not a hard number)
Total: 25700 (actual number: 25733)</p>
<h1>Admissions</h1>
<p>Out-of-state: 7300 (would be 42% acceptance rate) <--what we wanted to know
In-state: 4900 (would be 58% acceptance rate) <--what we wanted to know
Total: 12200 (47.5% acceptance rate; actual number was 47.4% with 12434 admitted)</p>
<h1>Enrollment</h1>
<p>Out-of-state: 1800 (assumes 25% yield)
In-state: 3600 (assumes 73% yield)
Total: 5400 (33.3% out-of-state; actual number was 34% with 5399 enrolled)</p>
<p>Assuming enrollment numbers previuosly given are correct (1971 out-of-state, 3428 in-state, total 5399) then you can't have a 70% yield rate for in-staters and 25% for out-of-staters (you'd have 12781 admits, instead of the official 12197).</p>
<p>I was told by an engineering professor who gave us a presentation at campus day. I can't remember his name</p>
<p>So this should help shed light on how <em>much</em> harder it is to get in as an out-of-state student. 40% better odds if you're in-state, which is why there are almost no OOS students with below a 3.5 HS GPA, but you see some in-staters with 3.3 and below.</p>