In WashU's defense...

<p>Look people, I am sick of coming to this board and reading the whining rants of those who were rejected/waitlisted or just don’t like WashU. Its cool to have that opinion, but the nonsense that is being spewed is ridiculous so imma just add my 2 cents.</p>

<li>Claim: WashU wailists a large number of people in order to play a game with the USNews Rankings to keep a low acceptance rate. WashU has Tufts syndrome and rejects overqualfied applicants in favor of inferior ones…its true because I know people who got into Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc but were waitlisted @ WashU…etc, etc, blah blah blah</li>
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<p>Reply: And your point is. I read the Suntimes today about a guy who had a perfect ACT, perfect math SAT, salutatatorian, great ecs and guess what he was waitlisted/rejected @ all the ivies. I think people forget that these schools are individuals places that are looking to build a community. They accept those whom they feel will fit into and add to that community based on what they read in the applications (stats, ecs, essays, recs, hobbies, etc). Just because you and your 4.0 GPA was waitlisted doesn’t mean u were overqualified and too good for WashU, it simply means that they didn’t feel you were a right fit for their community or that you simply wouldn’t enhance it. Face it, there are a countless number of kids with stellar stats, for every three that are waitlisted or rejected, there is one accepted. I hate when people think that they are the best thing since sliced bread and that if they were rejecting, then obviously some less qualified candidate had to have taken their “spot”…get over yourself.</p>

<p>There are people who get into Harvard but don’t get into Yale…why? Because Harvard and Yale are looking for different types of people. Same thing with WashU</p>

<li>Claim: WUSTL is nothing but an overrated institution that trys to lure qualified applicants away from ivies with merit money.</li>
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<p>Reply: Sometimes I wonder if the people who spew this ignorance actually do get into reputable colleges. I thought that the purpose of an academic institution of higher education was to enroll the best students to lure the best professors and help make the best mark on society. Its like WashU is criticized for being a pretender elite school, but when they do things to lure the best students to truly be an elite school, they are also criticized. Damed if they do and damed if they don’t. WashU is a school that is now becoming nationally recognized and they deserve to recruit the best students to enhance their already stellar programs. I didn’t know this was a crime. So are they supposed to just sit on their money and not get good students? Yes, that makes a ton of sense. </p>

<p>Also, it isn’t like WashU doesn’t heavily invest in its students. They have a nice sized endowment and they are constantly rebuilding dorms to keep the campus looking nice, always giving money to keep the students happy.</p>

<li>Claim: WashU is only good for bio/pre-med. Everything else is mediocre @ best.</li>
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<p>Reply: No, that is just wrong. Sure, WashU isn’t rankd #1 all across the board for undergrad programs. Yes, you can probably go to school B and get a better undergrad education in subject x, but the truth is, WashU is good across the board. There are areas where they are more well known, but WashU isn’t really terrible @ any major. Whatever you decided to do, you’ll get a good education. If this wasn’t the case, its undergrad program wouldn’t be ranked in the top 15. 2+2 = 4 wherever you go, when you’re dealing with the top schools, the education is pretty much the same.</p>

<li>Claim: No one has heard of WashU so I won’t get a good job after I graduate</li>
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<p>These are the type of people who think the name Harvard alone is going to make them rich. These are also the people that assume that the same people who think Stanford is an ivy league school will be the same people to determine where they make it in the world. WashU is well known in the academic world as a great institution and has good job placement. Its career center is reliable and helpful. If you go to school, do well…you’ll get a job. If you go to school and goof off, then you won’t. Thats true whether you go to Harvard or Chicago State. Companies recruit @ WashU like they recruit @ other schools as well. You’re life is what you make it, quit trying to put the pressure on your school’s name to do it for you. No one will care where you went to school @ once you make a name for yourself anyway.</p>

<li>Claim: WashU is bad because they sent me so much mail. In fact, all the mail they send is just another ploy to get unqualified people to apply, so they can reject them and manipulate their acceptance rate.</li>
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<p>Reply: Right, and I think imma boycott geico auto insurance since i see their commercials pop up every 15 minutes while im watching tv. </p>

<p>Again, colleges on the rise have a right and a responsibility to promote themselves. The same ones that criticize WashU for lack of name recognition are the same ones who criticize them for advertising themselves to students. People act like the ivys don’t send mailings out either. Hmm, how many apps did I get from Harvard? How many did I get from Brown? </p>

<p>Also, WashU is further accused of playing the rankings game. Imma just say this, any student who wastes $50-70 on an app fee and thinks they have a shot in hell of being admitted with clearly low stats, etc deserves to be rejected for not being sensible in college selections. I know this one girl who had bad grades and everything and was so sure she was getting into WashU because they were sending her mailings. After looking @ the mailings and doing further research (like people should do) she realized that she didn’t stand a chance in hell of being admitted and she decided to focus her attention elsewhere. I also know a similar girl who got mailings from Stanford and was so sure she would get in. Well, she applied…and got rejected. But its not her fault for slacking off in school, its Stanford’s fault for sending her that application and stringing her on right?</p>

<li>Claim: WashU is insecure about being an ivy safety. Real elite schools are confident!</li>
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<p>Reply: Yes…the biggest crime ever, wanting to admit students who want to come. WashU is big on demonstrated interest because they simply want students to enroll and be happy with all the money they are putting into the school. Nothing wrong with that. Why waste an admit spot on someone who doesn’t plan on coming? Its not like they are asking students to get WashU tatoos on their foreheads or swear on a stack of bibles that WashU is their first choice in order to show interest. In fact, I thought visiting and doing interviews was normal for most schools anyway.</p>

<li>Claim: I just don’t like WashU</li>
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<p>Reply: Well, if you put all this energy into concentrating on being mad @ a school, then you obviously need to go search for better things to fulfill and give your life meaning. Spring is coming, go out and play or something…</p>

<p>Okay, I think I am done for now. No hate to Harvard or any other schools mentioned. Im just tired of people dissing WashU for lame excuses. When WashU commits a real crime, let me know.</p>

<p>Peace!</p>

<p>You should get a scholarship for that.</p>

<p>Well argued, Jeffwun</p>

<p>My sis is going to WUSTL next yr, and I am sick of people making these ridiculous claims against it. Most of them are just bitter for one reason or another anyway. Nice job.</p>

<p>wow! very convincing!</p>

<p>"You should get a scholarship for that."</p>

<p>He did. He got two!</p>

<p>lol. nice job.</p>

<p>haha... Jeffwun, i love the way you infuse your sarcasm into your arguments. props.</p>

<p>great arguement. i got into this exact arguement the other day with a girl who got waitlisted but your arguements are so much better, and the sarcasm's nice too.</p>

<p>Thanks everyone for the support and for reading. I just get really frustrated by some of the stuff posted on here. I'm glad im not the only one. I'm going to WashU and I'm proud of it and I won't let these bitter people try to bad mouth my school and ruin the other people's perception of it.</p>

<p>man...i hope to meet you...really...I do</p>

<p>Nice post, Jeffwun.</p>

<p>Anyway, I'm not too clear on this "acceptance rate manipulation" thing...</p>

<p>If someone gets admitted off the waitlist, isn't he/she also factored in the overall admit rate later on?
And if not, does Wash U really accept that many students off the waitlist?
The only number I've seen in regards to the waitlist admits was 121 (last year's; however, it is from a cc post so I don't know the original source).
I don't think an additional 100 or so applicants counted as those who were denied admissions would make such a significant impact on the overall admittance rate; a considerable number of waitlist admits should be accepted for the admittance rate to be significantly altered. </p>

<p>So, as far as my knowledge on the admissions process goes, Wash U's waitlisting more applicants than do many other schools doesn't carry much meaning. But I might be missing something - so if anybody has more info on this, please tell me why this is considered a questionable practice.</p>

<p>jeffwun.. THAT was great! to the ppl jeffwun is addressing: being bitter is of no use.</p>

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<p>If someone gets admitted off the waitlist, isn't he/she also factored in the overall admit rate later on?

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<p>To my knowledge, they are factored in the overall rate but hopefully the next bit will help:</p>

<p>a= people admitted (not counting waitlist)
b= people accepted the admission offer (again, not waitlist)
w= people accepted and attending through waitlist</p>

<p>if the original matriculation rate is
<a href="100*b">b</a>/(a)**</p>

<p>then the final rate is
<a href="b+w">b</a>(100)/(a+w)*</p>

<p>As you can clearly see, the rate will be increased by accepting waitlisted students, if only by a small percentage.</p>

<p>BTW: I'm not suggesting WashU actually does this.</p>

<p>My son LOVED WashU after coming back from the Engineering weekend -- unfortunately, he didn't apply for any scholarships back in January, because he really thought he'd be going to UF (excellent science, pre-med, engineering, about 90 min from home, and FREE!). After seeing WashU up close and personal, he's wondering if he can apply for some $$$ next year as a sophomore. My husband claims the scholarship $$$ is there for recruitment purposes only. Once they enroll -- why offer any? On paper, he looks like a candidate: top 5% in class, stellar scores (35 ACT, 790 SATII Math 2, 790 SAT I Verbal, 800 SATII Bio, 5s on AP Chem/Bio/Stats/U.S. History. etc. etc) He's also what you call a pretty good football player!!! He didn't apply to any Ivies because we just do not appreciate the northeastern vibe. WashU was friendly, down-to-earth, and very impressive at the same time!</p>

<p>To pay $45,000 ++ per year -- it's a stretch. We have 3 other kids all in private school in north florida. Plus, the kid is planning on grad school, which is not cheap. He also got what amounts to a full ride at UMiami, which compares semi-favorably to WashU in terms of size and seriousness of the pre-med kids (aren't they serious everywhere?) What do you think? I hear RAs get free room/board, and maybe a co-op would help defray the expenses.</p>

<p>jaxmo, im glad your son loved the school; however, i do agree that 45+ per yr is a lot to pay for any school. I have heard that WashU cheated some people withr financial aid; however, my experiences that they have been really helpful in giving me money. Bill Witbrodt is such a nice guy and he and his staff honestly seem like they want to find ways to reduce the cost as much as possible. Fortunately, i was able to get a lot of merit aid; however, before I had merit aid, they did give me a lot of scholarships/grants so I wouldn't have any loans.</p>

<p>With that being said, WashU does have a Scholarship Resource Center on their site (sfs.wustl.edu) and in the offices @ the school. This is to help students (incoming and current) find scholarships and fellowships to add to their finaid package (outside scholarships don't reduce the university's scholarship). I advise you to give them a call as soon as you get a chance to discuss the price. I know first hand, and have seen friends that were able to talk to Bill and he worked magic and got them good packages. Being an RA does cover room and board, but can't be one until junior year and I hear that it is pretty competitive</p>

<p>But, in the event that things don't work out there are so many great options out there for school that wherever your son goes, im sure, if he has the drive, he will do well and be successful. Miami is a great school, I love Miami and I would have been looking to go to school there, but im not a fan of living around the gulf, but thats another story. Im glad they are showing him money because I think it is important to graduate undergrad with as little debt as possible. I wish you all the best in the coming weeks when making this important decision.</p>

<p>My son did have a chance to talk to someone about finances when he was there last weekend, and they referred him to the student loan program. I'm sure there are tons of really superior kids getting scholarship money already who met the Jan. 15 deadline because they were very sure about WashU. My kid is bright but slightly immature -- he won't be 18 until the end of July. Until recently, he's acted like the whole college search thing was quite an imposition. He's getting around to it --after a grueling 7 1/2 month long football season, after wrestling districts and regionals in February, after his job at the gas station, after his tutoring job, after his gig selling thousands of dollars of Cutco knives....NOW he's feeling serious about choosing a college. </p>

<p>He's obviously got what it takes to handle all that and a full load of AP classes, but envisioning his future and all that jazz is just a bit ahead of him.</p>

<p>I'm a senior at Wash U and I've heard they are pretty generous with money. I personally applied ED because I knew Wash U was my favorite place (even though my numbers probably could have gotten me into a "better" school - 1500SAT, top 10%, etc). </p>

<p>As for using the money to lure people in, yes and no. I was shocked to be awarded a Danforth Scholarship since I was already committed to coming, so it showed that they weren't lying about being blind to RD/ED, but the biggest Danforth awards went to the RD kids. </p>

<p>Still, I'm thrilled with what I do have. </p>

<p>Talking to the financial aid dept is probably your best bet. </p>

<p>I'm also an RA, and while you do get room/board/half internet/etc it's a full time job and if you're just in it for the money you'd be better off bartending or getting a part time job :)</p>

<p>^Im in a similar situation, some people may see my stats and say I belong in HYPS , etc...but to me WashU is just as good as these so called elite schools. I can't stress how happy I am with my decision to apply ED. I thought the same thing, that they wouldn't give me merit money since I applied ED, but they ended up giving me full tuition Ervin (I applied EDII but was an RD Ervin applicant), inspite of already giving me significant need based aid (40,000 per yr w/o loans) and already having me commited to the school. This showed me that they weren't playing strategic games to the extent that they are accused of and they were just trying to award good students regardless of other factors.</p>

<p>Jeffwun, I don't want to be offensive, but your 31 ACT w/o SAT IIs is hardly HYPS...</p>

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Jeffwun, I don't want to be offensive, but your 31 ACT w/o SAT IIs is hardly HYPS...

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<p>i must second that.</p>

<p>not saying that i'm HYPMS quality, because i'm not.</p>