In What Aspect of Recruiting does Ross>LSA?

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<p>What advantages does Ross have over LSA in recruiting?</p>

<p>People always say Ross have advantages, but from what I've seen, some of the most baller ppl at UMich who got the jobs that Ross kids craved aren't in Ross.</p>

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<p>If you’re talking about a 4.0 student in LSA or CoE, yeah, they’ve got options. </p>

<p>Given, I’ve never seen Impact, so I don’t really know, but from what people say here, if you’re looking to get into Finance, there are far more jobs available for Ross students than CoE and LSA students.</p>

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<p>^So? LSA kids can just go talk to the recruiters, give them their resumes, and if they’re good enough, they’ll be interviewed.</p>

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<p>Sorry, doesn’t work like that.</p>

<p>I’ve talked about this before. Here are a couple of quotes from a couple of threads:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-michigan-ann-arbor/859207-need-some-future-career-advice.html?highlight=impact[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-michigan-ann-arbor/859207-need-some-future-career-advice.html?highlight=impact&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-michigan-ann-arbor/854145-transfer-ross-wharton-4.html?highlight=impact[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-michigan-ann-arbor/854145-transfer-ross-wharton-4.html?highlight=impact&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>“They have the top banks and consulting firms dropped into their lap”</p>

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<li>Its statements like this that I don’t understand. Can you explain this?<br></li>
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<p>From my understanding, all LSA kids have to do is to talk to recruiters and get them to ask for your resume. Then, your resume will be reviewed along with all the Ross resumes and then interview offers are made. Is this right?</p>

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<p>Please reread the second quote I posted above.</p>

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<p>It’s not that simple. Most (all?) companies do not accept resumes at information sessions. If you email recruiters and ask them to include your resume for interview consideration, most will just tell you to go apply online (which means it will be dropped into an electronic bottomless pit on the company’s website and will never be seen again). There were a handful of recruiters that I talked to this past season who said they would accept my resume personally through email and include it in the selection book, but the most effective way to get your resume seen is to network with bankers/traders/consultants/whoever is important (I found this most effective in getting interview consideration). <– This networking process takes in person conversations/emails/phone calls, and isn’t guaranteed to work (even if the particular banker says he’ll help you out). You just never know. The bottom line is the recruiting process is just much harder for LSA/CoE because you can’t guarantee consideration (or sometimes an actual interview!) with the click of the mouse.</p>

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<p>What about recruiting with firms that don’t recruit at Ross or LSA (there are plenty)? Is LSA and Ross on equal terms then?</p>

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<p>If a company does not come to campus at all, the only thing I can think of that might give a Ross kid an edge is the common knowledge that Ross is a target, while LSA is not, so someone with Ross on their resume might be considered “more worthy”. This probably isn’t too big of a deal though.</p>

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Originally Posted by abc12327
^So? LSA kids can just go talk to the recruiters, give them their resumes, and if they’re good enough, they’ll be interviewed.
Sorry, doesn’t work like that.</p>

<p>I’ve talked about this before. Here are a couple of quotes from a couple of threads"</p>

<p>BS. If you are good, they will interview you however way you send them your resume. If they dont interview you after you cold-send your resume, then you simply arent good enough. I emailed my resume directly to GS, MS and JPM recruiter directly (the only 3 BBs that do not post on HireMe for trading) and got interviews with everyone of them. I have never networked and I barely attended info sessions. Does it mean everyone in LSA/COE have that option? No. But if you are good, you just have to send them your resume and they will come to you.</p>

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<p>^</p>

<p>I would say that that is not entirely true. My stats are through the roof and some people don’t reply to my emails, which implies that they were never read to begin with. Any suggestions for a subject line, then? </p>

<p>I agree that there are always options available for the top students. I know it is true because I have always gotten options in the end. However, can you believe that it is more difficult for the top students in LS&A? There is a difference in reputation between LS&A and engineering. Aside from being from a ‘state school’, which you have already expressed trouble with (I think you said something like 5-10% of companies won’t even look at your resume), I’m not from engineering or Ross.</p>

<p>So while they may interview me after they READ my resume, I have trouble with the fact that some people clearly don’t read my resume. This is why I started listing my stats in the email body instead of saying “The resume is attached.”</p>

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<p>aren’t you a sophomore? you can expect more snubs just for the fact that you are a sophomore and it has nothing to do with your qualification. When I was a sophomore I only had a few interviews and even less offer, but obviously there’s no difference between having one good offer and ten good offers from a practical point of view :slight_smile:
Also, is your resume polished? Post it on razume and blank out all the detail and send me the link and I’ll gladly take a look.</p>

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<p>In other words, Ross doesn’t give top students much advantage.<br>
And even the advantage that it gives can be easily compensated by LSA students.</p>

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<p>Hey Bearcats, I’ll switch to pm. But no, I think my resume is far from polished.</p>

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<p>I went over this in the other thread as well. Yes, if you’re at the top, and particularly if you have relevant experience on your resume (<– surely why GS/MS/JPM gave you interviews), you will get noticed. But, ALL ELSE EQUAL, Ross gives a tremendous edge due to the ability to drop your resume, particularly if you have no relevant work experience (<– majority of juniors).</p>

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No doubt. But you made it sound like if you are in LSA, you would need to network or do a lot of legwork to get the interviews no matter what. That is not true. That is the problem I have with your BLANKET statements.</p>

<p>“Econ or Stats, or a combination of the two, will NOT COME EVEN CLOSE to giving you the opportunities that Ross students have”
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Econ or Stats, or a combination of the two, will NOT COME EVEN CLOSE to giving you the opportunities that Ross students have IF YOU ARE NOT AT THE TOP</p>

<p>“So? LSA kids can just go talk to the recruiters, give them their resumes, and if they’re good enough, they’ll be interviewed.
Sorry, doesn’t work like that.”</p>

<p>Look, it works like that. It’s just the threshold of good is very high. And if someone’s not that good, I don’t feel sorry for him/her. Not everyone deserve to have a chance at top BBs.</p>

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<p>No, in general, Ross students have an easier time getting interviews and job placements relative to LSA students. Your posts keep trying to deny this…</p>

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<p>Alright, to refine: It was meant to be an all else equal statement of averages – of a typical student with solid stats but not great experience. Someone who is more middle of the pack (majority of students). It was not meant to speak to extremes.</p>

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<p>Top BBs are not the only companies that come to recruit. There are MANY other firms, lower BBs/non-BBs/elite boutiques/MMs/other boutiques that come to recruit at Ross as well. Landing an internship with these companies is a great stepping stone to moving up the ladder come full-time recruiting. It is with these types of companies that the advantage is exploited greatly. The 3.7, nothing-great-on-the-resume BBAs have much better shots than the 3.8 nothing-great-on-the-resume LSA kids (far more common scenario than 4.2 BBA vs. 3.9 LSA both w/ relevant internship experience competing for Morgan Stanley).</p>

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<p>I don’t think ANYONE said that, at least if you meant it to detract from the value of Ross or comparatively inflate the value of LSA when it comes to jobs for which a business degree is suitable. Eg. From my own experience as an employer plus familiarity with recruitment firms I am here to tell you that Ross is perceived by employers to be a high value proposition. In other words – to some degree – candidates have been pre-vetted by the selection process of acceptance to Ross. For other disciplines or specific areas of expertise, the COE is well regarded. UMich overall is well-regarded, but I think when you say that LSA kids can “easily overcome” any disadvantage, you’re underestimating both the focus and reputation of Ross.
It’s like comparing a general liberal arts degree to a specialized degree. It depends on what you’re looking for in the candidate – a general skill set or a highly specialized skill set. There’s a place for each in most work environments. </p>

<p>At the same time, it is true that absolutely top drawer candidates from ANY division will rise to the top one way or another. But it is tougher for the OTHER 95% to distinguish themselves if their program is not perceived to be a direct fit.</p>

<p>PS ABC12327 is your prior post of :

connected to your comments? Are you perhaps trying to rationalize NOT going to Ross? Or are you just being contrary?</p>

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<p>Ohhhh snap</p>

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<p>kmccrindle and collegebound, reread the posts by giants and bearcats. They clearly agreed that to TOP students, staying in Ross or LSA doesn’t change much. That’s why I said that Ross doesn’t give top students much advantage.</p>

<p>I never called myself a top student…
I’m not UMNumber1</p>