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<p>I found this doc on W&M's Website CDS</a> Part C 2006-2007, which shows the GPA range and SAT scores for the freshman class of 2006-07.</p>

<p>It appears that you need an unweighted GPA of greater than 3.75 to gain admission. At least if you do not have a big hook. </p>

<p>Reported GPAs</p>

<p>Percentage of all enrolled, degree-seeking, first-time, first-year (freshman) students who had high school grade-point averages within each of the following ranges (using 4.0 scale). Report information only for those students from whom you collected high school GPA.
C11 Percent who had GPA of 3.75 and higher 76.00%<br>
C11 Percent who had GPA between 3.50 and 3.74 16.00%<br>
C11 Percent who had GPA between 3.25 and 3.49 5.00%<br>
C11 Percent who had GPA between 3.00 and 3.24 2.00%<br>
C11 Percent who had GPA between 2.50 and 2.99 1.00%<br>
C11 Percent who had GPA between 2.0 and 2.49 0.00%<br>
C11 Percent who had GPA between 1.0 and 1.99 0.00%<br>
C11 Percent who had GPA below 1.0 0.00%<br>
Totals should = 100% 100.00% </p>

<p>SAT/ACT Scores
SAT Critical Reading SAT Math SAT Writing<br>
C9 700-800 40.00% 34.00%<br>
C9 600-699 44.00% 49.00%<br>
C9 500-599 14.00% 15.00%<br>
C9 400-499 2.00% 2.00%<br>
C9 300-399 0.00% 0.00%<br>
C9 200-299 0.00% 0.00%<br>
Totals should = 100% 100.00% 100.00% 0.00%<br>
C9 ACT Composite ACT English ACT Math<br>
C9 30-36 54.00% 68.00% 42.00%<br>
C9 24-29 44.00% 28.00% 52.00%<br>
C9 18-23 2.00% 4.00% 6.00%<br>
C9 12-17 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%<br>
C9 6-11 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%<br>
C9 Below 6 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%<br>
Totals should = 100% 100.00% 100.00% </p>

<p>I am sure they look at the "total" package but without a very high GPA you have a slim to none chance. I wonder why they do not post these stats in their student profile- 76% of our admitted class has over a 3.75 GPA.</p>

<p>I mean, that kind of info can be found on the front page of College Board… and simply looking at one data range alone tells you nothing about the applicant as a whole. You can’t just go around making wild assumptions. 75% is not everybody.
[College</a> Search - College of William and Mary - W&M - At a Glance](<a href=“http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3090&profileId=0]College”>http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3090&profileId=0)</p>

<p>Someone from my school with a 3.6, a 2250, and no hooks got into W&M…</p>

<p>I just find W&M web site a little misleading as it appears there is a definite standard for GPA. 92% of admits have a GPA of higher than 3.5. </p>

<p>Also, if you are OOS and a women good luck getting in with a GPA less than 3.75.</p>

<p>from W&M website-
What is the average GPA for an incoming W&M student?
There is no average GPA for incoming W&M students. Academic potential is evaluated from a combination of GPA, choice of curriculum, and curriculum rigor. We evaluate an applicant’s academic achievement within the context of his/her high school. Grades are weighted differently within each school system. Therefore, we do not recalculate GPAs to a 4.0 scale. Likewise, rigor of curriculum is based on what is offered at that particular high school.</p>

<p>Umm, I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound. There is a definite standard only at 3.5 because 92% reach that level? Why isn’t your definitive standard set at the 99% threshold? Or how about being in the top half of the class (100%)? You sound like you are whining about absolute numbers when W&M, and many other colleges, say that there is no absolute minimum? As you quoted, someone with a 3.4 GPA who has taken AP classes all 4 years of High School and didn’t receive an “honors” GPA boost is definitely still competitive. What matters is not the aggregate, but rather the individual. Go spread your conspiracy theories on another part of the internet, please.</p>

<p>The stats don’t prove that you HAVE to have a 3.75 or higher. The stats just show that people with GPAs of 3.75 or higher usually tend to get in more than people that don’t. </p>

<p>When they say “no min GPA”, they are not lying. They mean it. What that means isn’t</p>

<p>“Oh, 2.1! That’s great, we’ll take you!” </p>

<p>When they say “no min GPA”, they mean that your 2.1 isn’t going to get your application chucked in the rejection pile without a look at everything else you have to offer. </p>

<p>Yes, people with higher GPAs have a better chance of getting in because there is usually a correlation between high GPA and college acceptances. But that doesn’t mean you NEED a high GPA…it’s just good to have one.</p>

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<p>not true.</p>

<p>Obviously most accepted students have a high GPA, b/c W&M is a very good school, so it only accepts very good applicants. You can still be a very good applicant with lower than a 3.75, but obviously grades are an important part of the selection process.</p>

<p>First off, I was just posting some information for Chance Me posters that is not on W&M’s admission website. I did not claim any conspiracy, so the shrill response is a little perplexing…</p>

<p>Although, I agree I may be guilty of a little whining:0 I just got my hopes up that with very good SATs and honors and AP classes I could get in, and maybe I still can, but my U/W GPA is lower (not by much) than a 3.5. And I am OOS… So when I found these GPA stats it was depressing, and I wish I had this information before I applied (my bad for not looking at the College Board website).</p>

<p>Does anyone know if the GPA listed in these admit stats is weighted or unweighted?</p>

<p>deferr: I feel you man. I thought that my 1580 on M/CR and my 3.7 uw in very tough classes would be enough for Williams ED, but apparently they need more time to think. In regards to your question, I would guess that those GPA’s are uw, because everyone knows that weighted GPA’s are nonsense.</p>

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Fair enough, but your logic/stats still failed. My apologies.</p>

<p>I have no idea how different places calculate their average GPA. As you quoted, in the admissions process

Although, I would guess that most 3rd party stats are the weighted version in order to increase how hard it looks to get into colleges (but that still leaves out the aforementioned variables that are hard to control for and greatly influence an application).</p>

<p>I would guess that many of the people who were admitted with less than a 3.5 were those who had good AP and SAT scores (like you), so you still stand a chance! Good luck!</p>

<p>Chance Me posters can usually find common data set information, such as OP posted, by googling “[school name] common dataset” It is a great source of information. Here is the link to W&M’s: [William</a> & Mary - Common Data Set](<a href=“http://www.wm.edu/offices/iae/institutional_research_reporting/cds/index.php]William”>http://www.wm.edu/offices/iae/institutional_research_reporting/cds/index.php)</p>

<p>Caveat: the common data set admissions information is for enrolled students, not admitted students. The stats for admitted students will be higher than for those who actually enroll, except for the top schools, HYPS. If you think about it, it makes sense. The top-end of the admitted pool are less likely to enroll and for that reason more are admitted. Those at the lower-end are more likely to enroll, hence fewer are admitted. For SAT scores, the admitted range is 10-20 points per test higher than the enrolled range. By the same reasoning, GPA of admitted students is probably higher than for enrolled students, but I haven’t seen any data to support that conclusion.</p>

<p>For W&M, the enrolled student’s 25%-75% SAT range of 1850-2160 is probably closer to 1900-2210 for admitted students, with the midpoint shifting from 2000 to 2050. (If anyone has stats for admitted student, please provide a link. There are a few schools, such as Dartmouth, that publish some stats for admitted and enrolled students, which is where my observations come from.)</p>

<p>Remember the Common Data set is just that. A common data set and that only utilizes grades reported on a 4.0 scale (plenty of schools use other scales – and their GPAs are not part of the Common Data set data). What W&M posts on its admission web site is true. There is no minimum GPA needed to be considered for admission. Every applicant, regardless of GPA or SAT is reviewed in full by at least two different members of the admission staff. Certainly data will indicate that there are certain qualities that make some students more competitive than others but there truly is no minimum GPA because W&M does consider a student’s high school context and the GPA scale and competitiveness of that high school before passing judgment on a GPA. W&M also considers a whole host of non-quantitative factors in its review.</p>

<p>I’m glad to hear that. My son’s school has a lot of AP teachers who feel that the bonus weighting is there to keep their students’ GPAs from falling too far, and have said so when we questioned grading (“Colleges would rather see a C in an AP course than an A in a regular course” etc., etc.). We sure don’t feel that weighted GPAs are a joke; they’re necessary to stay even with the students who don’t push themselves and still wind up over 3.9 because the basic courses are so easy.</p>

<p>I’ve learned enough about the different grading scales in different school systems to know that it’s not possible to compare GPAs from one system to another. So what’s even the sense of a table showing that xx% of the freshmen have a 3.75 and above, when a 3.5 in one county equals a 3.75 in another?</p>