information technology and all related names are just confusing!!!!

<p>Hi everybody, I'm a sophomore at Bunker Hill CC in Massachusetts. I recently decided to change my major to IT. But, it is so confusing, it has a lot of names after names after names. I'm thinking to transfer to UMASS boston. </p>

<p>They offer MIS(management information systems) through school of management. Also there is IT major again though school of management. MIS is more of a concentration of a management major. If anyone can take there time to inform on these, it will be very very helpful. I don't want to get stuck with the major after finishing it. I want to go with something that has a higher chance of being hired by a company. What are some concentration of Information technology. I'm not a codes person but I love the technology field and I'M very passionate about it.</p>

<p>A BSIT degree or BSM/MSI degree? Whic one have highest pay which one has more opportunities.</p>

<p>Also if you know what are some other schools in Massachusetts that are good in this field?</p>

<p>It varies school to school and business/computer departments are gradually merging at most.</p>

<p>Computer Science (CS): Programming Theory + Math
Software Engineering (SE): Applied Programming + Math
Computer Information Systems (CIS): Applied Programming + Business
Management Information Systems (MIS): Networks/Databases + Business</p>

<p>Information Technology (IT) is USUALLY a 2-year or certificate program where you go for your network certifications (Microsoft, Cisco, Linux, etc.) I’m not sure what the upper-division B.S. would consist of.</p>

<p>MIS is probably the most versatile if you want to go into business or network administration, etc. However it doesn’t have nearly as much conventional programming (Java, C, C++, etc.) at most schools as CIS (best for web development) and CS/SE (best for most software).</p>

<p>THESE ARE ALL GENERALIZATIONS</p>

<p>The best thing you can do is look up the actual core courses and required electives for each major. For example, I like finance and programming. I heard that MIS was “half business, half tech” and came within an inch of majoring in MIS at one school until I looked at their courses and realized it was almost entirely database design, which I have no interest in.</p>

<p>Is anyone familiar with any schools in massachusetts about this topic? I know i dont want hardcore programming. MIS is less technical than BSIT. Im not sure which major would be more lenient when hunting for jobs. Which major would give me the most opportunity. Which major is more respected? I dont want to work with tech support etc. which major is worth majoring for the future? I dont want someone to get a certificate while i get a BS degree and we get paid the same. I dont know if that makes sense?</p>

<p>“Im not sure which major would be more lenient when hunting for jobs”</p>

<p>All depends on what job you want. IT usually means working directly with servers/networks and MIS usually means being the middle man between several departments in a business (IT, programmers, financial analysts, accountants) and reporting it all to management.</p>

<p>but how many people end up doing exactly what the name of their degree said they’d do? I’d estimate 25-35%</p>

<p>Yeah i think thats a good analysis:) IT minoring in management would be an option also i think.</p>

<p>Not trying to be argumentative, but little of that info disco posted is true. Some of that information is widely circulated by government, indepedent survey/research organizations, and postsecondary institutions themselves, but it is actually false. If you are committed to an IT career, you should absolutely pursue a “full” degree in Computer Science, regardless of the specific role/field you wish to pursue within information technology. Unless you are literally incapable of handling the math required for CS (you don’t have to excel at it to get by), and if your primary goal truly is employability, you absolutely should not major in anything else but CS. It will not be a small hindrance to your job search - it will be a MAJOR problem.</p>

<p>If you meet the minimum posted “cut-off” GPA requirement for the position, employers automatically consider you a superior candidate to any MIS major, for ANY position, even if the MIS candidate has a 4.0 or higher GPA. The only way an MIS candidate can initially be considered a superior candidate, and only in some cases (not the majority), is if you come from a top business/MIS school and the CS candidate comes from a low-ranked CS school. Even then, I would not count the CS student out for that interview.</p>

<p>With every single IT position out there, including the least technical positions, all things being equal, a CS major has the advantage over an MIS major and can apply to every position for which an MIS major can apply. However, there is a large amount of positions that an MIS major flat-out cannot apply (or if he/she did, will automatically be rejected without consideration). There are even many non-IT jobs a CS major can potentially get that an MIS major has no chance of getting. So in every way possible, a CS major is far superior than an MIS major in terms of employability and career potential. And trust me, the job market is bad out there. You need every advantage you can get so that you can obtain any kind of job at all.</p>

<p>Computer Information Systems or similiar degrees (possibly this pure IT degree you mentioned), although better than MIS due to its more practical focus, is still a “watered down” CS curriculum, and employers know that, and you will still be at a strong disadvantage to CS majors.</p>

<p>Addressing specifically disco’s list:
Any decent CS program will cover <em>everything</em>: Math, software, hardware, networks, programming, databases, web development, etc… all of it. And despite having such a wide diversity of topics, a CS major will graduate with more advanced skills in ALL of those topics than a MIS major. And employers know it. </p>

<p>Maybe a SE major will be better than a CS major in software development/engineering, but I am not so sure if it is a good idea to choose a major that specific for your bachelor’s - you will end up with less opportunities than a CS major, who will still have almost as good a shot at the specific jobs with which you might have a small advantage. I rarely see the “software engineering” major specifically mentioned in requirements for entry-level / new college graduate jobs. Sure, that can be considered a “related major” to CS, but employers often post job requirements that are “politically correct,” to make it seem like they are open to who they hire, when in reality they are much more narrow. Typically they are only a little more open / relaxed with the specific requirements when it comes to above-average or better students at top schools.</p>

<p>People typically get a Master’s in SE after getting their Bachelor’s in CS, if they find the truly prefer SE roles. Employers would rather see that than a Bachelor’s in SE and/or a double degree in SE.</p>

<p>Bottom line: You mentioned several things you wished to avoid (hardcore programming, tech support, and a job that only really requires certificates and/or a two-year degree). Although you won’t be heading into a hardcore programming job (more reason not to major in SE btw) with a IT or MIS degree, you will be heading dangerously close to one of the others with a non-CS/SE degree.</p>

<p>I was tricked by all the government reports, poorly-researched “professional” news articles, postsecondary institutional propaganda, and NACE surveys (even with the most recent surveys, MIS has completely fallen off the “top major” lists - apparently they changed their survey methods to be more accurate). Unless you go to a top business school, don’t major in MIS! And it is seriously not a good idea to major in CIS/IT either, unless you absolutely cannot handle the CS math to get a 3.0+ overall and major GPA.</p>

<p>Thank you very much for taking your time to write on this. Very Helpful. About the CS degree, I wast sure if I could handle the “math” thats why i was looking into MIS/IT related major. I was also considering the payscale between those majors. I tried to research and look up all of the surverys and most of them ranks MIS pretty high both for future jobs and pay. I wast sure about the employment rate though. Do you have any schools in mind in Mass other than MIT good at computer science. I have a 3.5 GPA and looking to transfer next semester. is the math that hard in computer science?</p>

<p>GoalsOriented, you’re definitely not being “argumentative”, because I agree with pretty much everything you said. The thing is, he didn’t inquire about CS degrees, so I casually mentioned the CS degree (notice it’s at the top of the list) then talked about MIS, CIS and IT instead.</p>

<p>I do think MIS is still a “top degree” however. Forget the government and press releases, just look at salary surveys of recent grads. CS blows everything out of the water, but MIS is consistently one of the highest-paid/most-employed business majors. Key word being business. The classes are more about front-end web development and e-commerce, some basic accounting, and much less about full-blown “programming”.</p>

<p>So out of the two, which one do you think is better as far as employment rate, salary, and and ease of landing a job. I know for sure I dont want to be a programmer but other than that I just want to head on to something that has a stronger reputation and best skills a company would look for. I still dont have a school in mind about these majors.</p>