<p>I give up.</p>
<p>Stupid thread. Next!</p>
<p>I'm a sound. You hear me.
Pink's a color. You see her. </p>
<p>And spam is a piece of processed meat. You can taste him, smell him, feel him, see him, and I guess you can hear spam too. You're the most versatile out of the all of us.</p>
<p>All the Mr.'s here</p>
<p>Well there if mr muffin, but he/she doesn't count.</p>
<p>And you can feel him too.</p>
<p>I already said feel him.</p>
<p>Is it just me or did anyone else think that didn't sound right?</p>
<p>Greetings!</p>
<p>We should have a thread for all the Misters to rant and debate...etc</p>
<p>yahooo, you're the trademark battle cry for hardgay.</p>
<p>Intellectualism is dead - this isn't the Renaissance and to expect it out of a university setting is more exploration of your own opinions... your ideas and world-view. 'Intellectualism' is pretentious and we falter by slipping into our brilliant ideas and long conversations... not simply as finding your views but often, just stroking our fragile egos by basking in underdeveloped ideas. Lets not escape under the implied within a university setting but find new ideas. How enlightening! More blatantly, I emphatically disagree with mrMOO's sentiments. I've had my fair share and I think, I've gained enough.</p>
<p>Now I wouldn't go that far. Intellectualism isn't pretentious. Its just a different lifestyle if you will. Some people like to talk about politics; some like discussions about fashion or business; some like to ponder existence; some don't like to talk at all. There's nothing wrong with that. </p>
<p>The stereotype exists because of jealousy; lets face it, jealousy historically tends to be aimed in one direction: from the less successful to the successful( by any reasonable def. of successful). So rich people were disliked by the envious and with it, their intellectual penchant( while not all rich people are intellectual, most of them, in order to get rich, have had to go to college where they are exposed to intellectual ideas; whereas, the poor are often uneducated and have not had the opportunity to be exposed to these ideas. Hence, the rich are likely to be more intellectual due to pedigree). This is due to the fact that the disliked tends to have characteristics that are unique to that group, and since others dislike that group, they dislike the unique characteristics that go along with that group whether they had anything to do with the group's success or not. Of course, I'm not saying these characteristics are better than others. I'm just giving a reason why the stereotype exists and why its unjustified. Of course, today, with the advent of Pop culture, stronger financial aid; more emphasis on schooling, people from all sorts of socioeconomic backgrounds obtain higher education so we get much more diversified personalities(The reason I included pop culture was because when you combine it with smart students, they are more likely to turn out less intellectual and more "all American" and well rounded.). But even for this generation, the stereotype still carries on.</p>
<p>Now, to clear things up a bit, I'm not talking about the type of intellectualism of the renaissance. I'm talking about a genuine passion for academics and deeper discussion(i.e not too complicated( could be about family, ethics, politics,news, relationships,life in general) but not as simplistic as talking about makeup or movie stars all the time) </p>
<p>For the record, I'm not elitist at all. I don't think intellectuals are any better than non intellectuals( indeed, I have great respect for investment bankers despite their non intellectual commercialism; they make boatloads). Just different.</p>
<p>How is the discussion of family, ethics, etc. a practice unique to intellectualism? Who really talks about makeup or movie stars all the time?</p>
<p>I love to learn, I always question, and my conversations go beneath the surface when I want them to, but calling myself an "intellectual" is something I would do just to make myself feel superior for being something that other people supposedly are not.</p>
<p>It's elitist in other words.</p>
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<p>sorry, I should be more clear. I view it as a scale. Discussions about complex things are more "intellectual" than discussions about non complex things. So, yes, in that sense, everyone is in someway intellectual(it just depends how much). </p>
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<p>Just a name though. If we change it to quirky would you feel any different? </p>
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<p>what about the other way around? Non- intellectuals, quirky or whatever you would like to call it verbally attacks those that are. Why? Its to exclude them. In that sense, those that disparage "intellectuals" are being elitists.</p>
<p>It's not about exclusion - it's on purpose that they project that vibe. Look at opera.</p>
<p>It's not quirky and it applies to far less people than the norm. It's not average. It makes it elitist because it pertains to the minority... the vast minority.</p>
<p>Perez Hilton can't stop talking about movie stars. </p>
<p>I agree with coffee.</p>
<p>And if it is elitist, so ****ing what?</p>
<p>It's just an observation. So "f-ing what" oh well to you then.</p>
<p>I value true intellectualism. I just think that it's bold for a student to make a distinction about the intellectualism of others and then call themself an intellectual because of a relative comparison. While there are varying degrees of intellectualism, there's also a difference between enjoyment and devotion, and between conversation and philosophy. Calling yourself an intellectual is like placing a bar just high enough so that you're in the likes of the greatest minds in history, even though you're still far from them.</p>
<p>I think that the topic is more about how much students at UCLA care to learn and explore for more than just grades.</p>
<p>(sorry for being so serious!! I just took heart when intellect was mentioned as once being a status symbol, because it gave a lot more weight to the type of intellectualism being discussed)</p>
<p>so i heard pamela anderson and michael jackson are dating now.</p>
<p>OK, I don't know what you're looking for, Coffee, but if you're looking for "deep" conversations and people who talk about more than just makeup, you'll find them here if you actively seek them out. Talk about the stuff and you'll find others that are willing to join you. If you want to talk philosophy, start a philosophical discussion. There are plenty of people here who love to hear the sounds of their own voices. </p>
<p>Really, I don't see how you can generalize a whole lot of people out there. I'd like to be real nice and say that Bruins have a whole "just wanna have fun" attitude but once you get your froyo and sit down, you can discuss more than just "so I heard Pamela and MJ are dating now".</p>
<p>But also, you have to get to know them first. Because it would weird out some people if you started out with more than just small talk.</p>