@CU123 I finally feel we can build a future together …
the issue is any ordinal ranking is going to be flawed, doing it by area of study is better so you don’t have people saying “I went to the fifth best college in the country”, they would be reduced to saying I went to the fifth best engineering school. However US News became the standard because it was the first to combine at least national universities into one. You oldies may recall the Gourman report, which was the only ranking out there before 1983 and they (he?) did it by discipline. I remember going to the guidance office to make copies of some relevant pages.
and starting salaries as we’ve discussed are ok but flawed as well, especially on how to include stock and bonuses. And salaries are not wholly determined by worth, location or school, a large component of salary is based on how good a negotiator a person is.
I would put them in clusters – not individual ranking – by fields per the above. All you would say I am in a top five/six schools in the country in social sciences, for example.
On UCSD - yes it’s a very good STEM school and I know a lot of talented kids there. But even for Asians who love California schools (weather, cost, graduate reputation), any Asian American in California is sending their kids to Brown over UCSD for undergrad, any major, as long as…the cost is the same, and that’s the rub.
For undergraduate education, any ranking that has UCSD ahead of Brown is useless, that would be like having a list of the top ten most influential rock songs and not having Johnny B Goode (RIP Chuck Berry). You just move on from it.
The RUR ranking agency exists since 2013 and publishes international rankings system of universities Round University Ranking (RUR). Raw data for the RUR Rankings system is provided by an international company Clarivate Analytics (formerly the IP&Science business of Thomson Reuters). The Agency also offers consulting services for universities to strengthen their competitiveness in the higher education sector. The RUR Agency is based in Moscow, Russian Federation.
Top 10 US Universities
1 Harvard University
2 California Institute of Technology
3 University of Chicago
4 Stanford University
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
6 Columbia University
7 Princeton University
8 University of Pennsylvania
9 Yale University
10 Washington University in St. Louis
Before you decry this as a Putin manipulation, at some point with the USNWR, and world university rankings, you simply have to wake up and smell the Humus. BTW, Penn is doing very well in this as well. @Penn95
and these guys will have groupings tracking mine to the dot.
@Chrchill not surprised. 9/10 of these schools most people would expect in the top 10. WUSTL seems a bit out of place, it is surprising Berkeley is not on the top 10.
As for your previous comments, my god I didn’t log into CC for a few days and your comments while i was gone were just unbelievable, even by your standards,…full of laughable inaccuracies. Thank god I don’t have to address them one by one since many others beat me to it.
Just one point though, please do not take pride in the fact that Chicago will have the highest yield this year. It means nothing. Any school can achieve record high yield by resorting to EA/EDI/EDII gimmicks and taking over 70-80% of the class early. Not even Penn would do something like this…jeez…it is embarrassing really.
@Penn95 Here I thought we were becoming friends … First, you really need to develop a sense of irony and humor. My posts were obviously a parody. Get a life. Second, Penn has been ED’s for many years UChicago did that this year for the first time. If you are p[laying the game, why not play it in full ?
I heard that U of C only took 1 or 2% of the regular decision applicants and the rest of the class was early applicants, but I have not seen anything from the school. Is that true or just a baseless rumor?
I am not commenting on it by the way, just trying to understand what is happening.
@Chrchill look who has no sense of humor and can’t take being teased. (btw i was not referring to your parody posts, i was referring to your saying that Penn is lesser than Chicago or that Chicago Law has always been top 4 or booth top 3 etc). Our relationship is more complicated than just simple friendship i feel lol.
In all seriousness though, i feel it is beneath Chicago to be doing this. Like it doesn’t need to do this, and it doesn’t add any value really, quite the opposite, it could hurt its RD numbers next year. Also I have always said Penn should keep its ED intake to 45-50% of the class, not more.
I believe it actually hurt the RD numbers a bit.
from what I know, acceptance rate was about 8 percent – same or slightly lower than last year. RD was 2 %. Yield will be up by a great deal. BTW, @Penn95 Penn admissions initially this year was not allowing EA applications if applying RD to Penn. They reversed themselves.
yes, Penn admissions weren’t allowing people also applying EA to apply ED. stupid idea on their part really. but they got so many complaints from college counselor and big feeder high schools than they reversed.
@Penn95 There are UChicago alums on this board (I an just a Harvard alum) who actually agree with you that UChicago should not do all these ED’;s.
Yes I just don’t see what it stands to gain. Chicago had a very high yield even with just EA and then the yield meant much more than it will do now.
Not sure I agree it will mean more or less. Penn’s yield was helped a great deal by having ED for so many years.
I personally think either everyone should only have RD or everyone should have one ED and RD. Nothing else.
yes it definitely has. But i feel you need to keep a balance with RD. Even 55% of the class coming from ED is too much imo. There is so much talent during RD and colleges are missing out. I would even say get rid of ED. Either have EA and RD or SCEA and RD.
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Indeed. We are almost as irate over this new ED option as we are about the relaxed Western Civ requirement or elimination of the football and sorority bans. Until these changes are reversed (and the Lascivious Costume Balls are restored in ALL their former glory) Dean Boyer will not see another $15 check from tk21769.
@penn95 @chrchill From an administrators perspective, SCEA can be messy. One girl at our HS two years ago was admitted to a top 10 school SCEA and was going to attend. Then she applied RD to the rest of the top ten for “bragging rights”, just so she could she how many would admit her. That is a yield nightmare from an administrators perspective.
A novel approach that could end the yield game: instead of admitting students, the school extends an offer to admit the student.
For example Lehigh has a target class size of about 1,250, but admits about 3,500 students to get to 1250 (a yield of 36%).
Instead they could extend 3,500 offers to admit students. Say 1,230 students who actually want to attend request and receive an actual offer. Then the just raised the yield to 99% and drastically reduced their admission rate from the current 25% to about 8%.
I mean it is all a game anyway, so why not? lol
@penn95 “There is so much talent during RD and colleges are missing out”
I am not sure whether this is true, but the schools must know how their ED group stacks up the to RD group. I would think they would want to shift the allocations if there were a significant difference.