<p>Helps or Hurts?
Specifically at these places:</p>
<p>Purdue University</p>
<p>Penn State University</p>
<p>Iowa State University</p>
<p>University of Minnesota</p>
<p>University of Wisconsin</p>
<p>University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign</p>
<p>Carleton College</p>
<p>Bowdoin College</p>
<p>University of Chicago</p>
<p>Harvard University</p>
<p>Northwestern University</p>
<p>MiT</p>
<p>Tufts University</p>
<p>Carnegie Mellon University</p>
<p>sorry, but being international hurts everywhere.</p>
<p>Being international might help a bit at expensive schools that are not in the Top 20, if you can pay the full fees.</p>
<p>Places like Harvard or MIT are so ultra selective that admission is a crapshoot for anyone.</p>
<p>I can pay the full fee's, here the thing, I live in the US and go to a school in the US, i dont need to apply for a visa since im already on one. But for technical reasons I am in the international pool. At this point money is not a problem, I was just wondering if this actually helped or hurt me. My orignal thoughts were that the international pool was easier since a lot of people didnt apply and those who did would get the benefits of Affirmative Action</p>
<p>University of chicago would be easier for internationals coz there are only a few international students who apply there.</p>
<p>Being an int'l student puts u in a competitive pool...but even in that pool, u will b separated in 2 sub-pools,i.e., one in which ppl ask for fin.aid and is definitely a very competitive pool, and other onw in which ppl pay full fee.The later is quite less competitive.
If u apply to UK, n r willing to pay full fee, ur in..(provided u hav good grades..not necessarily a national topper..)..</p>
<p>How would they know this? Financial Aid? For most of the universities that asked "Will you be a candidate for Financial Aid" i said no. For UChicago i said Yes, but ill be mailing them to change this. For the one of my colleges that asked if i wished to be considered for Financial Aid i said Yes. I wonder if i can still change this.</p>
<p>International student will be hurt at Harvard and MIT because those schools are need-blind and have a much tougher international pool. MIT's international acceptance rate is about 4%.</p>
<p>It will hurt a bit at public schools, which will probably treat you as an out-of-state applicant who can pay everything.</p>
<p>Internationals at the other schools should have little to no difference in admissions. If a school has very little international students (less than 4% or something), being international might actually help.</p>
<p>The international acceptance rate at U of Chicago is 23%, compared to 40% total. But Chicago places international who don't apply for aid in the same category as domestic applicants so I doubt internationals w/o/ aid face a disadvantage.</p>
<p>For schools like HYPMS, I'd say internationals face tougher competition. I think I've seen the admit rates for some of them to be around 7% or so. But if you are from a country that's not so well-represented, being international may help. But if you come from places like China or Singapore, it's gonna by ultra-competitive.</p>
<p>Agree with Barium:</p>
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Being international might help a bit at expensive schools that are not in the Top 20, if you can pay the full fees.</p>
<p>Places like Harvard or MIT are so ultra selective that admission is a crapshoot for anyone.
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<p>For example, my little brother was accepted to the UPenn class of 2010 with a B/B+ average and few to no ECs.... but he brought the international card and a full-tuition check.</p>
<p>Trust UPenn to accept a B average student who can pay full fare. I doubt this goes well with those locals rejected while having far superior credentials.</p>
<p>lolabelle, </p>
<p>I am afraid one case isn't representative. At Northwestern, the internationals' average SAT is only 30 points or so lower than the locals. But keep in mind, that's because their average verbal score is lower. It's like asking you to take a French exam in France and you score only a bit lower than the top french students. As someone earlier mentioned, MIT admitted only 4% of the international applicants recently. </p>
<p>The internationals that I know, at least the ones from Hong Kong and Singapore, tend to do better than average. I know that the ones at Northwestern usually had pretty good GPA when I was there. I also had a 2001 graduation book for Stanford and very high % of Singaporean students graduated with honors that year.</p>
<p>Whats the case at like Bowdoin and Carleton that only have about 80 international applicants</p>
<p>Well, internationals pools are very skewed. They are ultra-selective for the top privates/publics that are at least somewhat known in their home countries. Schools like Bowdoin and Carleton, while great, may be so unknown in their home countries that they would rather go to local universities. After all, why pay $$$$ to study here and then go home worrying if anyone knows about my school?? Still, 80 sounds low; are you sure that's correct?</p>
<p>I guess he confused the number of applicants with the number of acceptances.</p>
<p>Here are the figures provided by Peterson's:
Bowdoin: 500 international students applied, 68 were accepted, 30 enrolled.
Carleton: 1000 international students applied, 80 were accepted, 28 enrolled.</p>
<p>lolabelle, where ru from?</p>
<p>b@r!um,</p>
<p>Wow..I am surprised by those crazy numbers! Now those seem to show international admission is tougher even for certain LACs!!!</p>
<p>Well, the numbers r even more frightening in LACs..</p>
<p>Rister: I am from Brazil.</p>
<p>Sam Lee: My brother is just one of the 14 kids from our high school with similar stats accepted to Penn and UChicago every year.</p>
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<p>That's probably why. As I said earlier, another factor is where the applicants come from. Since I am from Hong Kong, I am more familiar with the stats of applicants/admits from places like Hong Kong. I have never heard of anyone from my hs getting into top privates without great stats. The valedictorian at my hs was turned down by HYPS. He's one of the 30 students out of 100,000+ that scored 10As on O-level (Hong Kong version with such a curve that a "C" would be an "A" in UK). Another guy with great stats (9As, perfect SAT IIs on chem/phyics) and ECs (team captain of a championship debate team...etc) managed to get into Cornell but rejected by upper Ivies. And if you are aware of the demographics of internationals, the majority (90% or more?) of applicants come from Asia and therefore applicants from those places face much fiercer competition. Colleges may not be obvious about having geographical quotas from but they are implicitly embedded in the practice of seeking "diversity".</p>