International Baccalaureate College Graduates

<p>afadad,</p>

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Well; this isn't the first time that such people have given conservative republican christians a bad name and have made us ashamed to be associated with them. Then again; if I'm not mistaken, the KKK is a conservative right wing republican christian sect of society too.

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<p>And that isn't the first time you've thrown out your little KKK comparison. I ignored it the first time. I won't ignore it a second. You are an ignorant, ignorant man. I pity your cognitive dissonance.</p>

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Ironically, you feel the same way about "modern day liberals"..that they are THAT sort of political persuasion and should be scorned and dismissed

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<p>You find that ironic do you, 3321? Well, after attempting to discuss an issue with Socialists who refuse to recognize the FACT that they are Socialists, after presenting cold hard facts to back up Conservative arguments and being met with emotional, unsubstantiated responses, diversionary tactics and general obfuscation, I would rather hope that to the intelligent, sane American who has any common sense and love of God and country, that they would come around to our way of thinking. Or so it seems to me. And now I am going to have a delicious Greek salad, so excuse me. ;-)</p>

<p>Well; now that observer has started her own thread on how evil the IB program is; (She actually had the nerve to say that she DIDN'T want to hear from people that supported the IB program; but only those that realized how bad it was and wanted to see it shut down.) I say nerve; not because she can't have a topic like that; but rather because she had NO PROBLEM hijacking this thread. So of course, there are some posters who don't understand the problem with IB. Anyway; I can now argue with Observer he phobias over there.</p>

<p>As for this thread; while it is close to dying; I was wondering if rwlavalley could post one post of all the stats/finding discovered. I know a lot of stats were thrown out around this thread, but I'm not sure if that was bits and pieces or all the data. I'd be interested in one post that had all the data so I can link to it later; because we know this subject will come up again. Or I could even cut/paste it onto my hard drive some where. Thanks for a very LIVELY thread. While observer and some others didn't add any proof of their conspiracy; even though they believe they did; they at least made the thread interesting. And even though she doesn't know what she's talking about when she calls me ignorant, it was fun. The fact that she ended he post with the same distortions that she did throughout, at least makes her consistent. Of course I never said or implied that her or her followers were KKK members. I was actually comparing MYSELF to the KKK. Here believe that to accept the IB program is to be a left wing liberal promoting a one world government; while to oppose the IB program is to be a right side conservative God fearing christian protecting the constitution. I was simply pointing out; which she never got both times; that you can have conservatives on both sides; you can have liberals on both sides; you can have christians on both sides; etc.... In other words, there are all kinds of people on all sides of topics. But instead, she wants people to believe that I was associating her to the KKK. Oh well, at least she didn't make the tread boring.</p>

<p>So, rwlavalley; if you can post all in one place your results, I know many here would be interested. thanks...</p>

<p>ROTFLMAO!</p>

<p>Omg, the NERVE of me to try and filter out IB zealots and looney tunes at the very beginning of a new thread! But even with that warning, they still appear. Like termites in the Spring. Like leeches from a river. You can't get rid of them. They follow me around wherever I go, IB zombie stalkers. Pathetic.</p>

<p>I will gladly submit the stats I have at this time. Please understand I am still collecting data from emails as they come it. So far, I have 125 respondents. Stay tuned while I compile it.</p>

<p>And ObserverNY...remember I started this thread and you joined it. Your commentary reminds me of what I have read about in Germany in the late 1930s.</p>

<p>And ObserverNY....you still have not answered my questions about AP testing. You sidestep those questions since I started asking.</p>

<p>Well, we've seen the typical responses --- name-calling and then accusing me of posting under two names and then even threatening to shut down the thread because you don't like what we think.</p>

<p>I can assure you that ONY is a different person. And I know for a fact she does not post under different names.</p>

<p>I can also assure you I am a teacher --- how else would know of the waste and corruption that is our public educational system?</p>

<p>Afadad you said you were stunned that we have teachers like me in our children's lives.</p>

<p>I was very well-respected by students, parents and colleagues which is why they too were stunned when all this 'way forward' crap started fingering people who wouldn't go along with the 'agenda'. What would you think of a principal that keeps track of who a teacher eats lunch with? If this isn't reminiscent of some communist gulag I don't know what is. Tell me, why is this important? Because one might have an independent thought while eating lunch for 20 minutes by themselves? I could tell you stories that SHOULD concern everyone about how dogmatic and unbending these people are. </p>

<p>You are really so thankful that your teachers aren't like that? Like what? Teachers who think on their feet and are willing to DARE to challenge the things they are asked to do that don't make sense on principle? You would have been lucky to have a teacher like me.</p>

<p>If all you want is people who take orders, that is dangerous.</p>

<p>You asked if by chance, am I really involved with the teacher's union? I was forced to join in order to work like everyone else. First it was the NEA then it was the AFT. I have mixed feelings because on the one hand, they are liberals who use my money improperly but on the other hand they fought some of this wacky political nonsense that had teachers being treated like they were prisoners in a concentration camp.</p>

<p>You said "If yes, (that I was involved with a Union) then I already know the rest of the answers to the questions I was going to ask, so I won't ask."</p>

<p>I am not sure what that means.</p>

<p>As I said, the Union is not always as powerful as people think and often helps teacher against some of this bad stuff.</p>

<p>The real culprits who have taken over the educational system and corrupted it are far beyond our reach, unfortunately. But that doesn't mean we have to subjugate our teachers and kids to this stuff.</p>

<p>I stand by everything I said, and all my sources are the UN, UNESCO or the IBO itself.
You'd have to be living under a log for the last 50 years NOT to know that the UN and many people in high places in this country want a world authority and have long since dismissed government under the Constitution.</p>

<p>If you want to call preserving the Republic 'nationalism' and 'scary', go right ahead.
I prefer our original form of government to any foreign entity.
Even the NYT is calling for 'government by the bankers', just this week. If this recent coup d'etat by the ruling class didn't wake you up from your beer and taco induced snooze by the TV, I don't know what will.</p>

<p>Quote from IBO website from a graduate who now ascribes to the 'world court' something most of us who believe in the Constitutional Republic don't recognize as a legal government entity: (but apparently his education made him think it was - which was his purpose.) It did not take me long to find this, it came right from the IBO site itself and is very illustrative of what I have said all along. The fact that the IBO.org agreement with schools comes under the jurisdiction of the world court is written into their contracts.. if you would be so inclined to look that up..... here is the quote:</p>

<p>"IB graduate profile - Salim Ali Nakhjavani
Graduated from Champlain Regional College, Canada, in 1997.</p>

<p>"I received my International Baccalaureate diploma from Champlain Regional College, St Lambert Campus, Canada, in 1997, and then earned a law diploma from McGill University in Montreal and a Master of Law diploma, first class, from Magdalene College, Cambridge, in June 2002. I received a Whewell scholarship in international law, and I am now working in the International Criminal Court in The Hague. </p>

<p>The integrated IB curriculum has played a fundamental and unforgettable role in my education, in preparation for undergraduate and graduate studies in law, and in my early professional life at the office of the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court. The capacity to think critically, developed across academic disciplines, from theatre to calculus, is a key benefit of the IB, and has been of central importance to me in maintaining a well-balanced and fruitful academic life. The other skills I developed as an IB student – the ability to plan and execute complex projects, manage competing demands and meet pressing deadlines – are essential in my current professional life.</p>

<p>Most of all, though, and beyond any mere intellectual benefit it has, the IB inculcates a true ethic of world citizenship, not as a naive ideal, not simply as an object of study, but as a living paradigm to explore."</p>

<p>Living paradigm indeed. HOW SAD.</p>

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<p>Like I have said in another thread - we are just feeding their madness!</p>

<p>rwlavalley,</p>

<p>I do apologize, what questions were those regarding AP testing? Refresh my memory instead of making me look back through all of these posts, please.</p>

<p>I asked if you could explain why an AP test of a 5 only required a student to get 67% correct on the AP test.</p>

<p>Here are the results so far from the Survey of IB College Preparedness.
Demographics of 125 Respondents
IB Educated in the following Places:
Asia 1
CA 9
Canada 1
CO 10
Finland 1
FL 19
GA 3
IL 3
Ireland 1
Jordan 1
KS 4
MD 11
MN 2
MS 1
NJ 1
OH 2
OR 2
PA 1
Switzerland 3
Turkey 1
TX 2
Unk 28
VA 11
WA 4
Wis 1
WY 2
Total = 125 </p>

<p>Type of IB Education
Certificate 10
Diploma 113
Some IB 2
Total=125
Schools they attended that they reported:
Amherst 1
Barnard 1
Bilkent University, Ankara 1
Boston University 2
BYU 1
Cal Poly 3
Cal Tech 1
Carnegie Melon 1
Colorado 2
Colorado State 1
Cornell 2
Dartmouth 1
Duke 2
Eckard College 1
Emory Riddle 1
Eveergreen 1
Florida Atlantic University 1
Florida International University 1
GA Tech 1
George Mason 1
George Washington 1
Harvard 1
Haverford 1
John Hopkins 1
Kent State 1
Mary Washington 1
Middlebury College 1
Mississippi 1
MIT 1
NC State 1
New College of FL 1
Northwestern 1
Notre Dame 1
Occidental College 1
Pacific 1
Penn State 2
Princeton 1
Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology 1
RPI 2
St. Mary's – Maryland 1
Stetson 1
Swarthmore. 1
Tufts 1
Tulane 1
U of FL 9
U of Oregon 1
U of Vermont 1
U of Wyoming 1
UC Santa Cruz 1
UCLA 1
Univerisity of California – Berkley 2
Univeristy of Maryland 1
University of VA 4
University of British Columbia 1
University of Chicago 2
University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1
University of GA 1
University of Illinois 1
University of Kansas 1
University of Miami 1
University of North Florida 1
University of South Florida 1
University of St Thomas 1
University of Tampa 1
University of Texas 1
US Air Force Academy 2
US Coast Guard Academy 1
Vassar 1
Virginia Commonwealth 1
Virginia Tech University 1
Washington & Lee 1
Washington University of St. Louis 1
Whitman College 1
Willamette University 1
William & Mary 3
Did not report a school 26
Total = 124</p>

<p>1) Did IB help in college prep? What helped? Writing skills? Study
skills?
Did it help? 121 Yes, 4 No
What helped? Writing – 93 of 125 (73.6%)
Study Skills learned in IB – 81 of 125 (64.8%)
Workload in IB was the same or easier than college – 60 of 125 (48%)
Time Management learned in IB – 34 of 125 (27.2%)
Critical/Analytical Thinking required in IB – 32 of 125 (25.6%)
Amount of Reading in IB similar to College – 9 (7.2%)
Global Perspective in IB – 2 (1.6%)
Working in Groups – 1 (.8%)<br>
2) Did you receive college credit or advancement for your IB work? Did it help you to be advanced?
IB Only - 34 of 104 did not receive any credits or chose not to receive credits
27 of 104 received 1-10 credits going into college
12 of 104 received 11 – 15 credits going into college
5 of 104 received 16 – 20 credits going into college
9 of 104 received 21 – 25 credits going into college
17 of 104 received more than 25 credits going into college
(Maximum reported was 45 credits)
Combined IB & AP * 4 of 21 received no credit going into college
3 of 21 received 1 – 10 credits going into college
4 of 21 received 11 -15 credits going into college
1 of 21 received 16 – 20 credits going into college
0 of 21 received 21 – 25 credits going into college
9 of 21 received more than 25 credits going into college
(Maximum reported was 45 credits)
*Note: It was not possible to discern from many of the answers whether the credit came from the IB work or the AP work on the 21.
3) Did you graduate from college? Or if still in college what was your GPA after 4 semesters?
Graduated from College – 84 of 125<br>
Still in University – 40 of 125
30 of 40 reported GPA as Greater than 3.5
8 of the 40 reported GPA Between 3.0 – 3.49
2 of the 40 reported GPA less than 3
Did not graduate – 1</p>

<p>I did not include the results from the other quesitons because they were not pertinent to this forum or they were for helping with a recommendation of adding AP curriculum to an IB only school (which is what we have and I am helping make happen - see I am an AP Advocate also). The school has already added AP Governement and AP Geography. We hope to add others which students would be interested in taking such as AP Psych, AP Economics, AP Antropology.</p>

<p>One quick correction on the results. I noticed I listed 124 as the total under the schools listed, it should read 125.</p>

<p>Teacher35,
The propoganda you can find from IBO is marketing information. It is merely that. I could share with you the stuff I have received from IB graduates which is clearly a different message - IB helped them with college preparedness. I have trust in our American educators not to be teaching what you are afraid of or have read into about IBO. American teachers are still Americans and are not easy to persuade. There are many IB teachers who do not share your opinion about IB, but as an American, you have a right to your opinion.</p>

<p>rwlavalley,</p>

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I asked if you could explain why an AP test of a 5 only required a student to get 67% correct on the AP test.

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<p>I'm not quite sure what you are referring to, was it the Calculus exam specifically? Just as with the SAT's you can leave some answers blank and not have it affect your scoring, I suppose the same applies to AP exams where a certain percentage of correct answers are valued more than those left blank.</p>

<p>Btw, what percentage of correct answers does IBO require on its exams? Oh wait, I forgot, they're mostly essays and all subjectively reviewed by outside examiners so they can't give you an answer to that question. ;-)</p>

<p>rwlavalley,</p>

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American teachers are still Americans and are not easy to persuade.

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<p>ROTFLMAO! You're joking, right? You think a new American teacher isn't going to get behind IB if a school's administration and Board of Ed are pushing it and his/her tenure is riding on whether or not they are a good little comrade?</p>

<p>Wake up rwlavalley.</p>

<p>rwlavalley,</p>

<p>Why did 26 of your respondents NOT report a college? Seems a little odd to me, especially since your whole survey is about...........duh...........college readiness and success because of IB.</p>

<p>I know plenty of IB teachers who don't agree with their adminstration. Sorry, I can't agree with you. We will have to agree to disagree.</p>

<p>AP Tests quesiton - it was for all AP tests. It was not just Calc. It was 67% of answered questions not those left blank. </p>

<p>Although I don't know why blank answers shouldn't count I could answer 2 questions correctly and get a 5 or leave out all the essays and get a 5.</p>

<p>ObserverNY....I did not ask them to report a college. All the others volunteered what college. YOUR NITPICKING won't work. I could report what their social network profile showed but I did not do that because that would have been my answer and not their answer. I won't do that.</p>

<p>I don't make up data like others who do research.</p>