<p>Kelwona,
The students attending IB might have been getting NMSF etc even if they were attending a lowly IB school. I understand, however, your desire to have your child in school where the student body challenges their learning.</p>
<p>IBClass06,
I have lived in an INTERNATIONAL location for more than 15 years. I fully understand the nature of IB preparation. The issue is that many students do not actually stay in one place for all of HS so in many cases they have trouble accessing a HS curriculum which includes 2 year classes.</p>
<p>Just because A level programs are 2 year programs does not make it 'right'. Again, how many college classes are 2 year classes.</p>
<p>IB prepared students are ready for college- they can do well. Some of them are burned out, in my observations....Remember, outside of the US many students from other countries take a GAP year after HS. This is when they recover from the intensity of their HS experience.</p>
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<p>College admissions officers in the United States do know what IB is. From their viewpoint, it is well established and well understood. From the viewpoint of parents and other community members in communities that are considering implementing IB programs, though, IB may be unfamiliar territory.</p>
<p>I think those that want to discuss other IB issues should start a new thread, and allow this thread to resume its intent: the OPs questions. It is clear this will potentially result in an interesting study, which will look at IB and AP (questions on another thread by OP) and their benefits (or lack of benefits).</p>
<p>I came after you? Good Lord, another Liberal "victim". I never even addressed a post to you before this one, so report away.</p>
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<p>And I agree. However the Commissioner of Education of NYS has ruled that Boards of Education are autonomous when it comes to deciding school curriculum and the taxpayers have no say.</p>
<p>And isn't it funny how no one objects to 3321 posting here when her only motive is to attack me, disrupt the thread and cause divisiveness. She is not an IB student, but a double standard exists when it comes to commentary on IB. </p>
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<p>Yeah, convenient for you that the forum Admin deleted your first post where you mispelled my full name, eh? ;-)</p>
<p>On that note, I bid thee farewell. Good luck to rwLAValley, I'll be interested in your results and pay attention to what AnitaW is saying, she makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p>AnitaW,.
While some of your points are interesting, I am not sure they answer the questions I would like to have addressed. If you were an IB student, please provide your input....so it can be tracked with everyone else I have been able to get.</p>
<p>EVERYONE ON THE THREAD......I have gotten 40+ responses so far....from places without so much hijacking.</p>
<p>Here is what I have for results based on 92 responses from various sources:</p>
<p>I have received 87 responses from IB Diploma Grads and 5 responses from IB Certificate Grads.</p>
<p>97.8% of the respondents felt that IB had prepared them for College.
80.4% of the respondents specifically felt they were prepared for the writing needed in college.
63% of the respondents stated that their study skills learned in IB helped in college.
54.3% of the respondents stated specifically that they were ready for workload of college.</p>
<p>Colleges graduated from included Harvard, Princeton, Cal Tech, Stanford, UVA, UF, etc.</p>
<p>May I suggest for your research that you find out from those who replied, how many IB students also took the AP exam without the AP class, and then how many of the 0-35 college credits were the result of AP vs. IB.</p>
<p>IB counts on the The College Board's open access policy to its exams to supplement its program. In fairness, AP students are not allowed to sit for an IB exam without having taken an IB course. Therefore, in order to honestly evaluate IB as a stand-alone program on its own merits, it becomes necessary to strip away the advantage IB students gain by also taking the AP exams and compare them to only AP student responses.</p>
<p>both nieces did IB- ( high school only- 5 of the districts high schools were in Newsweek's top 200 schools)
both attended same college
no college credit- didn't sit for AP test
felt prepared for college
( school now has students sit for AP as well more than double the amount sit for IB/AP than did 5 years ago)</p>
<p>one niece has graduated ( 4 yrs ago) Summa cum laude. Other still in school.
has had difficulty so far admitting to grad schools, is working, but not related to major.</p>
<p>I have the information but have not tallied it. IB vs AP is not my interest. I am interested in college prep first...and there does not appear to be much doubt. Stay tuned as I post the information on the credits!</p>
<p>85% respondents only took IB and those respondents received the following credits;
0 - 27.7%
4-10 -23.4%
11-15 - 9.6%
16-20 - 5.3%
21-25 - 7.4%
26 + - 11.7%</p>
<p>The max credits were 45 credits with several getting 35 and 36.</p>
<p>Both IB & AP credits - 9.6%</p>
<p>11-15 - 3.2%
16-20 - 1.1%
25 or more - 5.3%</p>
<p>The max credits for this category was 35 credits. The mixture of AP & IB were fairly even with most IB credits being at least 8 for all of the respondents.</p>
<p>AP Credits only 1.1% of the respondents and that respondent received 35 credits for the AP tests taken. IB Classes were taken and AP tests were taken. Credit only for AP.</p>
<p>Remainder of Respondents 4.3% received no credit but they dropped out of IB before they finished either Certificates or Diploma. Still felt they were helped in college by their experience.</p>
<p>The number of respondents is now 94. 87 were diploma grads and 7 were certificate grads or were in IB program at some point in high school and transferred out due to family move. The new stats on the college prep are as follows:</p>
<p>98.9% of the respondents felt that IB had prepared them for College.
79.6% of the respondents specifically felt they were prepared for the writing needed in college.
62.4% of the respondents stated that their study skills learned in IB helped in college.
53.8% of the respondents stated specifically that they were ready for workload of college.</p>
<p>The max credits was 45 credits (IB only) and 70 of the respondents were college graduates going to schools such as Harvard, Yale, MIT, Stanford, Uof Chicago, Duke, UVa, Uof FL, U of OR, U of W and a myriad of other schools.</p>
<p>Would you be kind enough to explain what you believe constitutes the difference between "being prepared" for college and "ready for the workload" in college? Thats quite a disparity from 54 to 98%.</p>
<p>Also, can you break out your percentages in terms of exact number of students Ex: 27.7% = 25 students</p>
<p>And finally, are you conducting an AP comparison on these boards? Since college credit is part of your analysis, it only seems fair to ask the exact same questions of AP students and then determine credits earned based on the number of AP courses taken, Ex:
100% -76 students - 1 AP - 3 credits
11% - 8 students - 12 APs - 36 credits</p>
<p>It would also be interesting to know what were the IB Diploma scores earned and what was the mean in addition to how many, if any, received scholarships specifically for IB.</p>
<p>Those may (or may not be) interesting questions, but they do not appear to be the questions she is researching. Perhaps you should undertake your own study.</p>
<p>I am conducting my own study, thank you very much. However, I would be very hestitant if not completely opposed to recognizing anonymous unvetted responses from an Internet message board as valid data for a thesis.</p>
<p>ObserverNY, you've made it clear that you can't possibly evaluate any data on IB without bias, since you think it's a "cult."
It is a complaint of IB students that many colleges do not give as much credit for IB courses as they do for AP, which is why so many IB students take AP exams in their IB subjects--to get the credits.</p>