<p>I recently contacted one of the minority recruiters at Harvard. A student at the school whose name i do not feel comfortable disclosing. ANyways He told me that at Harvard INternational students of African descent ARE considered a minority group and as such recieve all the goodies that go with being a minority. Seing as only 192 AA’s scored 1450+ on SAT this year it seems my chances at Harvard have increased overnight. However, Does anyone know whether or not this recruiter guys knows what he’s talking about. I would hate keeping false hope about this.</p>
<p>if you don't believe the minority recruiter at Harvard, who else would you believe? just callm down.</p>
<p>kerron u talked to chris hill didnt u?
he set me up with a overnight visit at harvard this past april over my spring break
dont worry bout it the AA at harvard is for all black students</p>
<p>btw where did u read that only 192 black kids scored above 1450?? thats frikkin insane man</p>
<p>Stats are from the College Board as reported by the Washington Post in 2003.</p>
<p>[As one of only 192 blacks who scored higher than 1450 on the SAT this year (2003), Alice Abrokwa is being wooed by some of the nation's most elite colleges.... </p>
<p>The competition is particularly ferocious for blacks and Hispanics with SAT scores that put them on par with the most talented white (and Asian American) students. According to the College Board, only 1,877 black students (about 1.5 percent of blacks who take the tests) scored higher than 1300 out of a possible 1600 on the SAT in 2003. Only 72 scored higher than 1500. </p>
<p>Among the overall student population, 148,024 (about 10 percent of test takers) scored higher than 1300, and 13,897 earned scores higher than 1500."...]</p>
<p>[Among the overall student population, 148,024 (about 10 percent of test takers) scored higher than 1300, and 13,897 earned scores higher than 1500."...]</p>
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<a href="http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001379.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001379.html</a></p>
<p>"Consider that figure: 72 African Americans with SAT scores over 1500 in 2003. Given that the mean SAT score at schools like Harvard and Stanford is in the mid-low 1500's, it is clear that the vast majority of the thousands of non-whites/asians being admitted to selective schools are benefiting from a double standard. Point: no amount of "outreach" can recruit high scoring blacks/Hispanics if they do not exist in the first place. The unavoidable conclusion is that racial preferences and outreach are not simply a "leg up", but a parallel, race-normed set of admissions criteria."</p>
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<p>Black African students are classified as International Students by Harvard U., which includes Harvard College and its graduate and professional schools. The goals/de facto quotas for the International Students are different than those those for American students and they are counted in separate categories by Harvard. Therefore, the numbers given for African American blacks admitted to Harvard, does not include foreign or international blacks</p>
<p>You can view the numbers from the Harvard U. Fact Book.</p>
<p>Degrees Conferred by Student Ethnicity: Academic Year 2002 - 2003, click on;</p>
<p>International Enrollment at Harvard, click on;</p>
<p>"where did u read that only 192 black kids scored above 1450??"</p>
<p>The Washington Post, Nov. 2003. It referred to the number of black students scoring that high on the 2003 SAT as of that date. You can purchase the article from their on-line library for a few dollars. </p>
<p>Here's a quote: "The competition is particularly ferocious for blacks and Hispanics with SAT scores that put them on par with the most talented white students. According to the College Board, only 1,877 black students (about 1.5 percent of blacks who take the tests) scored higher than 1300 out of a possible 1600 on the SAT in 2003. Only 72 scored higher than 1500. </p>
<p>Among the overall student population, 148,024 (about 10 percent of test takers) scored higher than 1300, and 13,897 earned scores higher than 1500. "</p>
<p>hey i wasnt contesting the vvalidity of that statement i was just shocked at how few blacks actually do score 1450+.....that is incredibly horrible</p>
<p>I know, ethioman00. I thought you'd be interested in the other stats, too.</p>
<p>Those stats are interesting Northstarmom. Is it true that the majority of those black students with 1300+ scores are actually African students, not African-Americans?</p>
<p>It's true that a very high proportion are students who either were born in Africa or the Caribbean or whose parents were born in that area.A lot also are bi-racial. Incidentally, I am half Caribbean myself.</p>
<p>For some reason, Harvard and other schools have just started noticing that a disproportionately high number of their black students fit the above criteria, and have begun expressing interest in attracting more black students who don't have such immigrant origins.</p>
<p>I don't know why Harvard is just noticing the phenomenon.It has been clear to me for a couple of decades. Even when it comes to middle aged and older African Americans, a disproportionately high number were from the Caribbean or had Caribbean parents. Colin Powell is just one example.</p>
<p>This is because regardless of color, immigrants and their children, tend to work extremely hard to take advantage of this country's opportunities. This phenomenon, though, on the whole, washes out with the grandchildren of immigrants. After a couple of generations here, typically people become so comfortable that they don't have that strong inner drive for success.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>Is it true that the majority of those black students with 1300+ scores are actually African students, not African-Americans? <<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>As I remember, the 192 black scorers of 1450 and above are from the cohort of ALL black SAT I test takers in 2003 of over 100,000 blacks. The College Board did not separate blacks into black Americans and black Internationals. Please correct me, if I am mistaken.</p>
<p>For the full article from the Washington Post reporting the miniscule and pitiful number of black high scorers on the SAT I in 2003, click on the following. The article appears in its entirety with this link and you do not have to purchase it.</p>
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immigrants and their children, tend to work extremely hard to take advantage of this country's opportunities.
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Yes Northstarmom, this is so true! Many of my friends say that their African immigrant parents instil in them a work ethic very similar to that of Asians :).
Are African International students considered minorities at most colleges, or is this just specific to Harvard? Are International Hispanic students (born and bred in Madrid, for example) also considered minorities, or are they considered in a separate International pool?</p>
<p>Gianievve:</p>
<p>You asked, "Are African International students considered minorities at most colleges, or is this just specific to Harvard? Are International Hispanic students (born and bred in Madrid, for example) also considered minorities, or are they considered in a separate International pool?"</p>
<p>Well, they can be considered both. That is to say, both black African Americans as well as black African Internationals, who do not have a "green card" or American citizenship, do receive race preferences in AA, despite being separated into two groups, Americans and Internationals. They would have to receive race preferences, simply because of the fact that there are only 192 black scorers of 1450 and among ALL blacks, both American and International.</p>
<p>Please read this again.</p>
<p>"Consider that figure: 72 African Americans with SAT scores over 1500 in 2003. Given that the mean SAT score at schools like Harvard and Stanford is in the mid-low 1500's, it is clear that the vast majority of the thousands of non-whites/asians being admitted to selective schools are benefiting from a double standard. Point: no amount of "outreach" can recruit high scoring blacks/Hispanics if they do not exist in the first place. The unavoidable conclusion is that racial preferences and outreach are not simply a "leg up", but a parallel, race-normed set of admissions criteria."</p>
<p>This is called A DOUBLE STANDARD, one standard for black applicants with lower SAT I scores, either black Americans or black Internationals and one standard, with higher SAT I scores, for the rest of the applicants.</p>
<p>I know a very black African who was denied admission to medical school because the African American members of the admissions panel at this school considered him contextually white and felt that admitting him would deny a black American the opportunity to attend this medical school (some slots, I understand, were reserved for African Americans). He eventually got his MD at another school that was happy to admit this very talented student.</p>
<p>Zuma, that is a dubious piece of hearsay.</p>
<p>PSedrishMD, it may be a dubious piece of hearsay, but I'm telling it as I heard it, and this person has no need to lie to me. He is brilliant and doesn't need to manufacture some victimish excuse for not getting in. Be glad to provide name, rank, and serial number under secure circumstances. Maybe not in your experience as a physician but stuff happens, buddy.</p>
<p>Zuma, what does that have to do with undergraduate admission to college? Did you read the original post?</p>
<p>gianieve, I admit it's out of place, but there is a generic parallel.</p>
<p>good post, NSM.</p>
<p>School seem to be more obsessed about their numbers of "minority students", rather than the actual merits of what they're doing.</p>
<p>"have begun expressing interest in attracting more black students who don't have such immigrant origins."</p>
<p>by attracting do you mean admitting?</p>
<p>Hmm... I know that some universities explicitly don't look at the race of international students... e.g. Amherst, Cornell and Stanford...</p>