International Financial Aid at DISADVANTAGE

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Are these Ivies still prejudiced if you are in the U.S. on a visa? So you are applying domestically, only without a green card.

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<p>If you're applying with an international citizenship (barring Canada and Mexico), even while in the US, all the Ivies (barring HYP) cannot and will not promise to either view your application as need-blind or give you 100% aid.</p>

<p>As for your other question about gaining your PR/green card in the sophomore year, that it is an individualized question and one most of us here aren't in the situation to answer. I would recommend emailing the financial office themselves.</p>

<p>Like Kj said, take advice here on CC with a pinch of salt. Policies can and do change within a year. The best source of information is the school itself.</p>

<p>For the record, universities are stingy with financial aid for Americans as well. The only difference is, they'll accept us, and then let us figure out how to pay for it. They can't do that with internationals because of visa requirements.</p>

<p>not as stingy as when it comes to int'ls...
give it a thght...if a univ has an int'l and a domestic with same credentials and same needs (both being accepted there, ofcourse)...who would they favour...
even if the int'l were better they wd favor the domestic</p>

<p>Well duh! Why should they favor intl's over domestic applicants anyway? That makes no sense.</p>

<p>actually they might want to... in some such cases an int'l could bring more accolades to the university...and it also creates diversity...</p>

<p>but u lose the point...i was just tryin to say that univs are more stingy with int'ls in response to the previous poster</p>

<p>Yeah obviously internationals do add a diversity advantage, but that doesn't mean they should be favored. These are after all US universities and I think a lot of US citizens and taxpayers would be ****ed if international applicants were favored over domestic ones. </p>

<p>Oh I absolutely agree with that point. Of course they are stingy.</p>

<p>The federal funds do come from the government and they have a duty to support Americans, first and foremost.</p>

<p>Look, why are we treading over the same ground again? Everybody knows (or should know) that any aid to internationals comes from the school's own coffers, which understandably would be less than the federal money they have available to aid domestics through Pell Grants and whatnot.</p>

<p>Everybody should also appreciate that out of Canada, the UK and Australia and the US, the US is, by far, the most generous to internationals in overall terms.</p>

<p>thats true...
u know what i think? US should follow a similar policy like Singapore...subsidise an int'l's education (only if he needs it) and then make him sign a bond sayin he has to serve a US company for the next 3yrs...</p>

<p>but alas...if only the policy makers were as stpid as their leader...</p>

<p>not only does their economy better...but the int'ls would absolutely love it (no H1 visa troubles)</p>

<p>That would actually be a good policy, because right now the US practically forces the educated internationals to leave after they are finished. That's just stupid. A contract that would bind them to the US would work well for both parties. </p>

<p>It is too bad that the leadership isn't the smartest out there.</p>

<p>So, lets say I apply to HYPS and ask for Fin. Aid.</p>

<p>Should I tell them that I'd be willing to take out a loan if they accept me but don't give me any money? But would they just make me drop my financial aid application?</p>

<p>In other words, if they think you're a qualified student but not qualified for aid (and you asked for it), do they mail you a letter stating that they'd be willing to accept you if you found a way to pay for it without fin. aid or would they just reject you outright?</p>

<p>Cuz I'm thinking about asking for aid (I desperately need some lol) but I'd be willing to take a loan if I had to. </p>

<p>Arrrggggg.</p>

<p>That is what Cornell does, in that if you are not good enough for aid they will still accept you, but you will need to come up with the money (even if you applied for aid) I am not sure about HYPS, although for Stanford I am pretty certain that if you can't pay then they don't admit you (I remember reading something like this on their website). </p>

<p>Being international sucks :P</p>

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Yeah obviously internationals do add a diversity advantage, but that doesn't mean they should be favored. These are after all US universities and I think a lot of US citizens and taxpayers would be ****ed if international applicants were favored over domestic ones. </p>

<p>Oh I absolutely agree with that point. Of course they are stingy.

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<p>I couldn't agree more: the government heavily subsidizes most colleges due to their nonprofit status, and this is done through the taxpayers' money. However, I don't see why then Canadians and Mexicans are given equal consideration as U.S. citizens in terms of financial aid. I mean, they aren't paying taxes to the government...</p>

<p>i think the following thread pretty much clears up all Cornell aid doubts:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=161749%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=161749&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>try and ignore the last part, ok?</p>

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Are these Ivies still prejudiced if you are in the U.S. on a visa? So you are applying domestically, only without a green card.</p>

<p>Also, say you got into UPenn, attend there, and pay for the first year with your own allowance (right). Then in the begining of your sophomore year you got your green card. Would the school give you enough scholarship for your sophomore junior and senior years?

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If the first sentence is a question, yes. Students without a greencard, living in the u.s, will be treated like an intel with intel disadvantages.
Second question: in most colleges, no. If you dont get any money in your first year, you won't get any in your 2nd3rd4th years also. Actually, I'm not even sure if it's possible to get a green card after living in the u.s for 1year only..</p>

<p>you are confusing with need-blind, an admission policy and need-based/100% need met, a financial aid policy.
Dartmouth is one of the most generous I've seen in ivy league.</p>

<p>And talking about such matters is kind of ****ty, no one really knows until the result comes out.
Just like Stanford, which is not well known for its financial aid policy towards int'ls, last year suddenly had a funding and admitted 8 students from China, all with aid and half exceeded 42k dollars. Every school will count on past enrollment records and current funding to decide how many to take from certain countries.</p>