Interview: Levin

Athletic Recruits
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<p>Sherpa - I respect your opinions, and this was a great story. Your son had impressive academic and athletic stats. I have three questions. </p>

<p>1) What if Y had been #1 with your son? </p>

<p>2) Is Y really saying (through actions) that the most academically qualified and quickest to get to the Y coach wins in the recruiting race. It sure looks that way based upon your son’s story and Monstor’s story.</p>

<p>3) From what you know, did Yale get better fencing recruits in terms of overall academics and athletics through the “Levin policy”?</p>

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<p>FOr information on academic index, see:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.mka.org/uploaded/college_counseling/Publications/AI_Guidelines_Worksheet.pdf[/url]”>http://www.mka.org/uploaded/college_counseling/Publications/AI_Guidelines_Worksheet.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Was reading a thread in the admissions where some posters were arguing about the % of athletes in a school…</p>

<p>and they referred to this article…so bumping it</p>

<p>Here is preliminary data re apps #s
<a href=“http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2010/nov/16/early-apps-constant-over-last-year/[/url]”>http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2010/nov/16/early-apps-constant-over-last-year/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>trackpop - that is a very interesting link. I wonder where the school got their information. I was particularly interested in the explanation of class rank/gpa where it stated to add up to 5 points for rigor of curriculum and 5 points for rigor/quality of school. This is an area of ambiguity that I have been wondering about for a while.</p>

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<p>Disclaimer
The following statements reasonably approximate the Ivy Group’s Academic Index for athletic admissions.
The information provided is based on informal conversations with Ivy admissions representatives as well as
published institutional research. However, at their best, the guidelines below offer a useful representation—and
not an exact codification—of admissions criteria that are not available to the general public.</p>

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<p>What does MKA stand for?</p>

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<p>The document was published by the College Counseling Office of Montclair Kimberley Academy, a prep school in Montclair, NJ.</p>

<p>[Montclair</a> Kimberley Academy](<a href=“http://www.mka.org/]Montclair”>http://www.mka.org/)</p>

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<p>I would guess this was sport specific…
that the coaches had too many prospects in the pool
??</p>

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<p>@fogfog
You are right. That was my point: It was sport specific and apparently a sport which is important to Yale. So much that they’d be willing to be more lenient on the academic side. And no, the coaches at the other school would have loved these kids but were told ‘no’ by admission.</p>

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<p>Admissions does vary from ivy to ivy—someone had ranked the ivies here in this forum–I forget which thread…yet seems to be pretty much what others have said …</p>

<p>I think too there seems to be a difference depending on gender as we have heard different stats required…I was suprised to hear that the SAT thresholds for girls vs boys being different for example and would have thought they’d be the same.</p>

<p>At some point admissions has to tell coaches to stop–that they have used their allotment …</p>

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<p>[Recruitment</a> caps strain teams | Yale Daily News](<a href=“http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2011/jan/27/recruitment-caps-strain-teams/]Recruitment”>http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2011/jan/27/recruitment-caps-strain-teams/)</p>

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<p>monstor344 – you may have been hurt by the sad last sentence copied below from this Yale artiile. It’s sad day when, between equally-skilled athletes, Yale’s policy leads the coach to reward the athlete who earned the LOWER grades/scores with a recruitment spot and support in Admissions, but the stronger academic athlete – whose other ECs might well be lower as more time was put into academics – is left out on their own to vie for admission in RD:</p>

<p>“Barbara Reinalda, head coach of softball, said the number of recruiting spots allotted to her team has also dropped over the last few years, from five to six slots per year to about four, depending on the number of players that graduate each year. She added that she does ask recruits with competitive grades to apply on their own so that she does not have to use one of her recruiting spots.”</p>