<p>Ok so I have just finished my first semester. I am in the LSA Honors Program but I want to do IOE or Ross. I got a 3.85 first semester (A in calc 115, A in EECS 183) with a relatively hard course load. I really like the idea of management consulting or something along the lines with data and basically a lot of applied mathematics. I don't know which path to choose. I know I can do both but that would mean I would take Econ 101, Chem 130/125/126 and Calc 116 next semester which might be too much. I have also heard of the EGL program that the College of Engineering offers which is also a great choice. How is Econ 101 and Chem 130? Which do you think is best?</p>
<p>The main Management Consulting firms (Bain, BCG and McKinsey) all consider Michigan (CoE, LSA and Ross alike) a major target school. Every year, those companies hire many undergrads. I would estimate that combined, those three firms alone hire ±10 undergrads from Ross, ±10 undergrads from the CoE and an additional ±10 from LSA. Altogether, I estimate that those firms hire ±30 undergrads from Michigan.</p>
<p>If you can maintain that GPA, it does not matter whether you stay in LSA or transfer to the CoE or to Ross. </p>
<p>Below are some links you may find useful:</p>
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LSA
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<p>BOSTON CONSULTING GROUP
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<p>[BCG</a> - BCG at University of Michigan: All Undergraduates & non-business masters programs](<a href=“http://www.bcg.com/join_bcg/oncampus/umichigan.aspx#meetourteam]BCG”>http://www.bcg.com/join_bcg/oncampus/umichigan.aspx#meetourteam)</p>
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<p>MCKINSEY
[University</a> of Michigan | Careers | McKinsey & Company](<a href=“http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/apply/university_recruiting/schools/ba/university_of_michigan]University”>http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/apply/university_recruiting/schools/ba/university_of_michigan)</p>
<p>[University</a> of Michigan - Ross | Careers | McKinsey & Company](<a href=“http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/apply/university_recruiting/schools/mba/umichigan_-_ross]University”>http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/apply/university_recruiting/schools/mba/umichigan_-_ross)</p>
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<p>That’s 13 credits… That’s about as easy of a schedule as you could have in Engineering (yes, even in IOE).</p>
<p>EGL is a good choice if you want to learn a language and do those culture classes anyway. If not, I wouldn’t recommend going that route. It sounds like you don’t have many credits and EGL requires a lot of extra stuff. You can still take Ross classes while in CoE even if you aren’t in EGL if that’s all you wanted to do anyway. </p>
<p>If you actually want to do something somewhat technical then do IOE because with just a BBA you’re not going to be doing anything technical. If you don’t actually want to do anything technical but want to suggest to employers that you would be capable of it, a BBA+Stats and/or Math minor might be a better option.</p>
<p>I have already been accepted into the CoE as an intended IOE major (class of 2017) I also applied to Ross under the preferred admissions program, I won’t hear back for another few months. I am considering the possibility of doing IOE AND Ross and graduating with both a BS and a BBA. My biggest concern is still graduating in 4 years, although I would be willing to take classes for a summer between years. Is there even a point to doing both?</p>
<p>I know someone who majored in IOE for undergrad and is now pursuing an MBA. I think that is a common route.</p>
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<p>IMO, no. But I know a lot of people who are doing it. Maybe user Nubswitstubs can help you better, because he was doing Ross+IOE but dropped Ross and is now doing IOE+Math.</p>
<p>It is definitely possible to do IOE + Ross in 4 years. Depending on what types of credits you’re coming in with from high school, you may not even need to take many summer courses.</p>
<p>Don’t just do IOE + Ross for the sake of doing it, though. If you want to do it because you think it will impress recruiters, then don’t do it – there are easier and more effective ways of achieving that. Why did you (777Blue77) want to do IOE in the first place? In my experience, virtually everyone doing IOE + Ross is more interested in pursuing a business career and is just using IOE as “proof” that they are technical/quantitative. You really don’t need the IOE degree to get into most career paths that bschool kids are interested in. You’re better off just doing Ross and getting a really high GPA. I can also tell you that many people who do/did both end up wishing they had done something else.</p>
<p>If you could say what you’re interested in going into, then I’d be able to provide more specific advice.</p>
<p>I want to do consulting or something along those lines. I love working with people and in teams. I do find the IOE class descriptions to be very interesting. I like computer science to an extent, math, statistics and science. I don’t see myself working in a bank. How hard is it to get into EGL if you have over a 3.6? Are IOE classes difficult? Also how is the cross over application process from LSA to engineering?</p>
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<p>Undergrad ones? Not especially. But you have options to make your degree harder than the minimum requirements. You could minor in Math, CS, or Stats and you could take grad classes in IOE which are harder. </p>
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<p>Assuming you meet the minimum GPA requirements, which you well exceed, pretty automatic. I think there’s some set of required classes that you have to take before you can transfer, but you’d have to take them anyway so it’s not a big deal. </p>
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<p>I believe it’s almost automatic, but I think you have to write an essay or something. I’m not really sure but it’s not a huge complicated process.</p>
<p>Compared to EECS, IOE has substantially more writing and group work.</p>
<p>rugbyfield, if you’re interested in the IOE/Ross combo, you need to figure out the following:</p>
<p>1) what are you trying to achieve by doing both?
2) what other options exist for achieving that goal?
3) are those other options easy?</p>
<p>It’ll take some heavy research to figure out - PM me if you’d like and I can try to send you down the right path for what you should be considering and where/from whom to find the relevant and reliable information.</p>
<p>whats better in terms of learning more and getting better work force skills, EGL or Ross?</p>
<p>Both EGL and Ross offer good opportunities to get into management consulting.</p>
<p>EGL is not that difficult to get into, but it’s not automatic per se – I know of students that were definitely qualified, but didn’t get in for one reason or another.</p>
<p>I feel like Ross offers better job/work force preparation if you’re interested in going straight into industry after undergrad. If you have more academic inclinations, though, I think IOE would be a better choice.</p>
<p>I know both bosoxfan1717 and vladenschlutte personally, and I can say that the information they’re providing is reliable. Bosoxfan1717 and I are both currently IOE + Ross dual degree students, but I’m in the process of disenrolling from Ross to do something else.</p>
<p>boyks, I’m not sure if you’re still considering doing both IOE + Ross, but if you are, you need to create a academic plan that maps out all of the classes you’ll be taking each semester through graduation. Based on your previous posts, you are behind relative to other people who do the dual degree. If you don’t plan far ahead with the dual degree, it will be extremely difficult to graduate in 4 years.</p>
<p>yeah i dont think i would do both. i like the idea of EGL since you get a masters. i just want a flexible but powerful degree. which classes do you enjoy more, Ross or IOE? Which do you feel you learn the most from? is the environment different in both schools. why are you disenrolling in ross.</p>
<p>I personally enjoy IOE courses more, but I prefer engineering more in general compared to other IOE/Ross dual degree students. There are definitely people who enjoy Ross courses more than IOE.</p>
<p>I think IOE is better for students that actually enjoy academics. Ross definitely has the upper hand when it comes to job/industry preparation, though. For example, Ross stresses things like networking and presentation/writing skills much more than IOE.</p>
<p>The environments at the schools are drastically different. I think you will be able to tell just by physically visiting each school. In the bschool, there is a much stronger emphasis on career-related activities such as corporate info sessions, interviewing workshops, resume workshops, etc. While these events also exist in CoE, you will find that they don’t seem to be the focal point of the school.</p>
<p>I was originally doing the dual degree because I thought I wanted to go into management consulting or finance, and figured the business + technical background would best serve those career paths. After thinking about it more, though, I found that those career paths don’t really fit what I enjoy. I like academics more, and find Ross to be really weak in that area.</p>
<p>yeah i am just really stuck right now. I dont know if i should do EGL or Ross. I just keep going back and forth and I just want to make a decision. I know I might not get into both but it doesnt look bad with the A in Math 115 and 3.83 Gpa. I never wanted to do both. I see myself working in a science or technology related company. I have never taken an IOE class before but I watched the ENGR 110 lecture and it looks very interesting but Ross is also one of the best business schools in the world that i dont want to forgo. I have seen people on this site (Bearcats) and others who have regretting choosing IOE and I dont want to make a mistake. I want to come out of college with the most knowledge possible. (I know it sounds stupid.) I also want a fantastic job. And I know I want an MBA. The question is would I learn more with an IOE/MBA or an BBA/MBA track.</p>
<p>I thought you wanted to do consulting?</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, Bearcats was actually glad that he chose IOE over BBA as I don’t think the job he currently holds (I don’t remember if he disclosed it on CC, so I’m not going to announce it here for privacy reasons) even recruits bschool students (at least from Ross) because they aren’t technical/quantitative enough.</p>
<p>I think it boils down to what type of knowledge you are trying to obtain. If you are interested in gaining “real world” knowledge that will be useful in industry right after undergrad, then do the BBA. If you potentially want to go to grad school for something other than business, or if you want a “purer” academic experience, then do IOE. </p>
<p>You can get a fantastic job regardless of which route you choose.</p>
<p>Honestly, if you are dead set on getting an MBA later on, I would recommend doing IOE for undergrad. You will learn whatever business knowledge that is necessary for industry during the MBA, and you will also have a technical foundation from engineering.</p>
<p>Also, remember that it’s not a given that you will get into EGL and/or Ross (though I think you have a good chance for both based on your GPA). I would just apply to both EGL and Ross, and weigh your options after you know what they are.</p>
<p>I just applied to engineering. When I called the office the woman sounded as if it was a real competitive and hard process. I just send in a resume and essay nothing so special. Has anyone here done the LSA to Engineering transfer? When do they usually tell you? And do they reject anyone? I do have a good gpa but I dont know what else they look at.</p>
<p>I didn’t personally do a LSA to CoE transfer, but I know people who did. As far as I know, it’s pretty automatic (just paperwork) as long as your GPA is okay.</p>