<p>So I am going to be a sophomore next year in IOE. I was wondering about this EGL Honors Program. I want to enter consulting and I read somewhere that EGL has separate career fairs with companies. Is anyone in this program that can tell me more about it? I am very interested in MBB and maybe banking. I have a 3.6+. Do you guys enjoy the program? Can IOE help me get into IB? Also what are good technical electives I should take. I heard that EECS 280 is good since you get good programming experience and I enjoyed EECS 183. What companies usually go to the EGL career fairs? Is EGL worth it?</p>
<p>I am not in the program but I am also going to be a sophomore in IOE and I was considering doing it for the while so I have looked deeply into it. In my opinion, you don’t really need EGL to get into consulting. While it does look like a good program, it seems very difficult to complete. You need to maintain at least a 3.5 or 3.6 throughout all your years to complete the program. This may seem not too bad now but once you get into upper-level classes, it will become more difficult. In addition, you are cramming a bachelor’s in IOE, a masters in IOE, an international minor, and many other electives in Ross into a 5-year program. Depending on how many AP credits you come in with, this will make you average at least 16-18 credits per semester, making it even harder to maintain the GPA requirement. Also, I don’t think employers would really care about the business electives or international minor. </p>
<p>Also, I think it’s kind of a scam. You need to pay an extra whole year’s worth of tuition. While it may seem cool to graduate with both a bachelors and masters in just 5 years, a masters can only raise your earning potential about 10k, if even that. Looking at the EGL salary profile, rather than earning 62k, you would probably start out earning 70k. Because of the structure of EGL (which includes a mandatory summer internship), it is very hard to complete in less than 5 years even if you came in with a lot of credits. If you are in-state in may be worth it. If you are not, you are better off just finishing a bachelor’s degree in 3 to 4 years (depending on how how AP credit you came in with and the credits you take each semester) then getting an MBA after some years of work experience (you don’t need a masters to become a consultant; a bachelors in IOE is good enough). An MBA raises your earning potential a lot more than an engineering masters.</p>
<p>But if you still want the 2 degrees, I would recommend trying to finish a bachelors and masters in 4-4.5 years which is possible especially if came in with a lot of APs. Without the international minor or business electives, you can finish both degrees quicker and save a ton of money while still having similar job opportunities as EGL graduates. This way you can get more bang for your buck!!</p>
<p>Hope this helps! :)</p>
<p>Also in response to the second part of your post, I believe a Computer Science Minor (which I am also doing) goes very well with an IOE major. In today’s digital world, it is very important to have a background in computers. Doing the minor really maximizes the job opportunities you can have as you will probably have access to programming jobs in addition to engineering and business ones. </p>
<p>The minor requries EECS 280, EECS 203 (discrete math), EECS 281(the next programming class after 280) and an upper-level programming elective. Many of these classes can fill the technical elective requirement so it is not too hard to complete both an IOE major and a CS minor in 4 years or less.</p>
<p>Well if there was any engineering major to try to complete it in, it would be IOE. </p>
<p>I didn’t think it was worth it.</p>
<p>EGL, and CoE in general, will not help you break into IB – your best bet for that is enrolling in Ross. I remember you created a thread with a similar topic a while ago. Just so you know, nothing about IOE/EGL have really changed…</p>
<p>For consulting, though, EGL does have decent placement into MBB. You can always do EGL and then quit if you get an internship junior year with MBB.</p>
<p>What’s funny is that engineering will be much harder than anything you’ll ever do in Ross, yet most Ross kids tends make more money.</p>
<p>There are also more Ross graduates looking for a job after they graduate. I really don’t think majoring in engineering hurts your ability to make money after you graduate compared to majoring in business. I think I would have been bored as hell if I majored in business. Plus, as an engineer you could get an MBA whenever you want and it will be a breeze compared to what you’ve already done, even to IOE majors</p>
<p>“Plus, as an engineer you could get an MBA whenever you want and it will be a breeze compared to what you’ve already done, even to IOE majors”</p>
<p>What’s your experience with MBA studies ThisIsMichigan?</p>
<p>None, but I know of and have heard of many engineers that have gone on to get an MBA after working in the industry for awhile.</p>
<p>I won’t argue that the engineering courses aren’t more technically challenging than Ross courses, but there’s nowhere else in the school where you’ll find the same competition level as Ross. While engineering does provide its students with a great amount of knowledge and unique skills, much of that will never be necessary for succeeding in business. CoE does place some students into consulting but Ross still does better there and gets all the iBanking placements. Ross teaches students some very valuable skills in its own right and prepares students extremely well for the real world. It’s career services department is far and away the best at UM and companies realize what skills Ross kids bring to the table and how it will directly impact their business. CoE is a great school but calling Ross “easy” or saying that students won’t do well years down the line compared to engineers is totally off base.</p>
<p>Engineers can do their masters on anything. In fact prestigious MBA programs are comprised by a large proportion of engineering undergrads. So basically, you might not be able to enter into the financial industry, consulting or IBanking straight away…but you have a much greater chance of getting into a great MBA program than most non-engineering undergrads since the skill sets you have attained are of high value. An engineering degree tells the world you are a problem solver who can handle a whole lot of stress…and of course, you can survive without a social life :p</p>
<p>I mean, when you hear about someone struggling with an engineering major and transferring, business is one of those destinations, or IOE. Not the other way around.</p>
<p>No knocking Ross or anything, but if you are smart enough to get an engineering degree, I would think that’s the way to go. You’ll have the whole technical side available to you as well as businesses opportunities</p>
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<p>^ If you scroll down to the breakdown of undergraduate degree areas, I think it says it all. There’s a higher percentage of engineering students than business students .</p>
<p>“If you scroll down to the breakdown of undergraduate degree areas, I think it says it all. There’s a higher percentage of engineering students than business students .”</p>
<p>That’s because it doesn’t usually make sense for BBA grads to get a redundant education in an MBA program.</p>
<p>so im thinking of doing the computer science minor along with IOE. I also want to do EGL but I dont think I will be able to do both. I am still very interested in EGL and consulting and what the program has to offer. What do you think is better: EGL with IOE or IOE and CS minor? Has anyone done IOE with CS? Can you still get programming jobs with just the minor? Is taking EECS 203 before EECS 280 a good idea instead of the other way around. I wouldn’t be able to take both simultaneously. Does programming help with the Operations Research area in IOE? Do companies value programmers even though they might not want a 100% programming job? I really don’t know what I want to do when I grow up. I want to get an MBA and maybe enter business later on. What are your guys opinions? I would be taking EECS 203, IOE 201/202, 265, and MATH 214. Is this schedule too demanding? If i dont take EECS 203 I would take intro to chinese. Is programming or learning a foreign language more impressive for recruiters.</p>
<p>“I mean, when you hear about someone struggling with an engineering major and transferring, business is one of those destinations, or IOE. Not the other way around.”</p>
<p>If I didn’t get into Ross, CoE was probably my “fall back.” I would agree with you in a general sense, but I’m not sure this logic applies to UM. If you can’t handle engineering, Ross is likely not an option (nor would it be easy).</p>
<p>pat, don’t mind ThisIsMichigan… he has this weird sense of elitism regarding engineering…</p>
<p>you are actually wrong about the Ross bit, though. i remember you posting that you’re a preadmit to Ross, so you’re not even a freshman yet, but you’ll find that Ross is actually really easy once you get there.</p>
<p>Hahaha I’m well aware, I just wanted to throw that in there.</p>
<p>Oh really. That’s nice to hear :p.</p>
<p>Alright… not even a freshman yet…</p>
<p>I was just calling it like I see it.</p>