Irvine Vs. Santa Barbara???

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Irvine
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<p>UC Irvine as a Criminology, law, & Society major?</p>

<p>Or</p>

<p>UC Santa Barbara as a Sociology major?</p>

<p>WHY????</p>

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<p>UC Irvine has a really good Criminology program.</p>

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<p>Agree, but that didn’t answer my question.</p>

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<p>I think I saw you post in the law forum, if you intend to go to law school definitely do Sociology at UCSB as UCI’s criminology is considered a pre-vocational major and not a liberal arts major. Also UCSB definitely has the best overall college life, I live by UCI and no one I know would ever consider it because it is soo boring.</p>

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<p>Really? Are you sure? </p>

<p>What if law school doesn’t work out? What may I do w/ each major?</p>

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<p>Also, what is a pre-vaoctional degree mean? And, why is criminology a pre-vocational degree?</p>

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<p>Sorry, but chargo is wrong. Criminology is not vocational at UCI. A vocational program is one which is intended to prepare students for a job. It’s the opposite of the liberal arts, which is about education for the sake of education. By the way, the crim program at UCI is one of the best in the world.</p>

<p>In any event, it doesn’t matter AT ALL which of these two majors you choose if you want to go to law school. It’s completely irrelevant. Actually, I would encourage you to not go to law school. It’s very, very difficult to get a good (or even decent) job in law at the moment.</p>

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<p>distribution of full time salaries in law</p>

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<p>chances are you if you go into law, you’ll either be making less than I will with merely an undergraduate degree(while having an insane debt load) or you’ll be working 100 hours a week in New York(and only if you got your degree from Columbia, Harvard or you have insane connections)</p>

<p>furthermore it doesn’t look like law is growing that well in regards to pay potential.
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that’s inflation adjusted. It doesn’t take into account other increased costs of living. From a relativistic standpoint, law as a profession has declined in pay substantially in the last 20 years.</p>

<p>If law is your passion go for it, otherwise…</p>

<p>that said, UCI and UCSB are more or less equally ranked all around and few care about undergraduate department rankings in the real world.</p>

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<p>@spooky Sorry my point was that Law Schools look down on majors such as criminology or legal studies and that sort of thing. At most schools those majors are good for people who want to become cops
@xelink those numbers take in data from attorneys nationwide, rural lawyers make way less than ones working in urban environments. In california the median wage for lawyers in urban areas are considerably higher.
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Look at the pay scales in CA urban areas and you’ll see that law pays well if you work in the right place. Now, if you want to practice in the middle of Montana you might be screwed</p>

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<p>So…</p>

<p>UCSB as sociology </p>

<p>or </p>

<p>UCI as criminology</p>

<p>What can you do w/ each?</p>

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<p>you can become a cop. Or you could apply to law school… or you could apply to grad school for an MBA and go a completely different route.</p>

<p>at the end of the day, you major hardly matters regardless of where you go. Even in specialized engineering you don’t necessarily need a specific undergraduate degree should you be willing to self study for all of your certifications(doesn’t happen but it’s possible) The reason why most Harvard atendees can score jobs regardless of their major is that they prepare themselves outside of school. Your goal in college should be to prepare yourself for the real world. Gain relevant experience in fields which interest you and take on leadership positions.</p>

<p>one thing to know, no one will hand you a job. It’s not “what can I do with this degree?” it’s “how can I leverage this degree?” Your major selection should be based on a combination of your academic interests and your career interests. Pick a set of careers. Then pick a few fields of study which complement it well. If you want to go into law, consider economics, most law schools look highly upon it(though quite frankly, most law schools DO NOT CARE ABOUT MAJOR OR INSTITUTION ATTENDED) and employers generally hold lawyers as being more valuable if they hold an undergraduate economics degree(make sense, economists are trained in though of improving efficiency, law is expensive to practice, boiling the ocean is an ineffective way of getting a cup of warm water).</p>

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<p>lol, word to that xelink. Everyone: please read xelink’s post.</p>

<p>Your major does not provide leverage to any job. If your outside preparation for your intended career (that shows on your resume) fits a job description, you will surely get the job.</p>

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<p>some, though not all places, have requirements for majors selected FYI. You might be forced to take on a minor that is RELEVANT to your career field of interest or be forced to relegate your academic interests to a secondary position(interested in anthropology? major in econ, minor in anthro and take every single econ class that is related to anthro possible while straying away from the more economics-like econ). While there are no REQUIREMENTS for most things, it isn’t wise to have to explain why you chose anime studies to an employer looking to hire you for a position in statistical analysis. You should have a story of sorts pertaining to who you are and what you want to be. What you studied should fit into that to some degree or another. Major doesn’t necessarily matter, but if you aren’t incredible with words it might in some cases.</p>

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<p>lol TS, you’re such a baby… asking the most broad questions.</p>