is a counselor's recommendation neccesary for college apps?

Applying to College
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<p>Here's the story,
My counselor absolutely hates me. Why? I have not done anything to him and during Junior year I went to him to sign up for the psat's. I duno what went up his @ss, but he screamed at me and said," I TOLD YOU A HUNDRED TIMES THAT YOU ARE ALREADY SIGNED UP!!!!" I looked at him like," what are you talking about?"
So i immediately left after he given me a practice test booklet. I overheard him say," Boy that kid is driving me nuts because he is ALWAYS ASKING DUMB QUESTIONS and continuously not trusting me."
I was to tell you the truth, extremely calm because I was like," I am not going to scream and fight back to a person who can write me a reccomendation." I concluded that he must have mistaken me for someone else
The following day, hoping to actually get some real information about signing up, I went to him with my dad because according to a senior, a parent had to sign some stuff. I go up to my counselor and asked him if there is anything to sign or anything for me to fill out. Then he goes absolutely BALLISTIC on me saying I do not listen nor respect his work. I was shocked. He told me," YOU COME TO ME A THOUSAND TIMES ABOUT DIS ONE DAM TOPIC. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU! I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY I SIGNED YOU UP!!"</p>

<p>I was like in my head," what is this guy smoking, he didnt gave me no information and left me with a freakin practice booklet." I was furious and he goes on saying ," You came to me everytime this week and wanted me to change your schedule!! WHY ARE YOU BOTHERING ME!!!! ARE YOU STUPID BECAUSE I DONT DEAL WITH STUPID KIDS." I never went to him actually for the whole year until now and this man was going bananas on me. I was so furious and my dad came in and said," Whoa whoa, my son never went to your this week. And what has my son done to you, the last time I ever saw you with him was during 10th grade class sign up." Then this counselor absolutely loses it and says," Your SON IS THE ONE WHO IS NOT TRUSTING ME! IF SOMEONE CAME TO YOUR EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, I THINK YOU"D BE MAD AS ME RIGHT NOW!"</p>

<p>This was all bull. I hardly even knew him and the only time i go to him, he goes crazy on me for no reason. I still kept my cool because I knew this guy would someday write a reccommendation. But i think I was stupid, I shoulda fought back. LIke an ass, I walked out of his room humiliated. My left my dad and my dad started aruging. The 5 minutes later, i came back and my counselor's secretary came in and talked to me. I told her that I havent even talked to this man in my high school career except for scheduling and I have no idea what he is talking about. I also told her in my high school career, I have talked to this man maximum of five times. SHe said she was goign to talk to my counselor but by now, i was like CRYING. I duno why.... dis is actually the first time i cried in school and i on the verge of knocking the counselor out. He then comes out and my dad was restraining me by holding onto my back jean's pockets.He then LECTURES ME ON HOW TO SPEAK WITH HIM and finally he got my name after my dad told him.</p>

<p>So now college applications are coming up...is it really necessary to get my counselor's reccomendation for Stanford, or USC?</p>

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<p>um, Yes, in short. If they ask for it, you must have it. (I don't know if they require it, but most colleges do)</p>

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<p>Yea, 1337noh4k4, i looked over ur stats you pmed. well you have the stats and ec's. The counselor..well if your teacher's reccomendations are both very very good, the counselor's reccomendation will be overlooked.</p>

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<p>Not trying to be too judgemental as I don't know the whole story but why did you go back tot he counselor after he already yelled and you and told you clearly he had signed you up. I was in a similar situation this year. I wanted to take a class senior year I had originally not asked for. My school policy is very strict on schedule changes and the deadline had passed. I called my counselor 4 times over the summer and left her a messege each time. She did call me and asked me for my change and told me she'll call me back and let me know but she didn't call for another month. My mother suggested perhaps she call the principal as my counselor was being "inconsiderate." Knowing that I would need her to write me a rec, I told my mom not to do anything and surely enough 2 days before school started my counselor called me, apologized for the delay saying she had to check with her supervisor, and got me the class I wanted. I got prety lucky as in the end things worked out pretty well. I even gave her a thank you card to kind of butter her over :-P. </p>

<p>Hope things work out for you and btw....If it is a requirement then I suggest you get a recommendation as most colleges will not even consider your application without the required material.</p>

<p>Good Luck</p>

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<p>Why did i go back. Well..first of all, the first time i went, he was busy and I guess he had to leave or sumthin. After he screamed at me, I just thought maybe bad day. So i went the next day to clear up whether I am signed up or not because I knew it was very weird that a counselor or a school can sign someone up without asking the student. thats why i went. It just didnt make sense someone could sign sumone up without permission.</p>