Is a dual degree worth it?

All,

This might sound like one of those many posts talking about JD/MBA dual degree, but I think not! I’ve gone across various posts and see nothing even close to my situation, so apologies if I am beating a dead horse here!

I have graduated BS from NYU in 2011 and have been in the workforce ever since. Recently, I’ve been promoted to AVP level in a Fortune-500 organization. Back when I was in school I’ve always wanted to get into the M&A scene but could never break through that brick-wall… Now, I am thinking of going back to school full-time and I’ve been reading a lot about JD/MBA dual-degree and frankly, I am confused about the pros and cons. If someone could help me here, it would be really great.

This is what I came up with:

Pros:

  1. Highly attractive dual-degree which might help me get my foot into the M&A world.
  2. Even if I cannot get into the M&A scene, it looks like lot of top law firms are willing to pay big bucks for a dual degree.
  3. Having taken a few law courses in coursera, it seems to be a really attractive thing to do.

Cons:

  1. Loss of salary for at least 3-years.
  2. Add-on debt over my undergrad debt (yes, NYU was not cheap and I was an idiot).
  3. Risk of losing my edge in my current field and starting all over in a new one!

It would really help if I can get an external perspective on this. Also, I wouldnt even consider going back to school (dual degree or not), unless I can get admitted into the T20 / top-20 universities…

Thanks a ton for taking time!

Can someone please help?

From my perspective, your “pros” don’t make sense. Do you have anything to back them up that a dual-degree is attractive to law firms and they are willing to pay up?

It comes down to whether you want to be a lawyer or a banker. M&A work in law firms are first prepared by bankers and having an MBA wouldn’t help you in most law firms.

Look at the people who are doing the kind of job you want to do. What degrees do they have?

Do you want to be a lawyer? If you don’t want to be an actual lawyer, then I see little reason to add at least two years onto your degree (and time out of the workforce, and tuition) to do a joint JD/MBA. And if you do want to be a lawyer, you already have business experience; why do you need the MBA? Do you have any hardcore evidence that the JD/MBA is a “highly attractive dual degree” that will get your foot in the door anywhere? Do you have evidence that law firms pay more for the JD/MBA, or are more likely to hire you with that?

The law classes you took on Coursera are unlikely to be quite like what you would take in actual law school.

I had a 25 year career in business transactional law (a lot of M&A) before taking early retirement. Here’s my 2 cents (basically I fully agree with @juillet ).

A full time MBA is typically 2 years. A full time law degree is typically 3 years. A full time joint degree is typically 4 years. Therefore, if you’re primarily interested in the law degree and are thinking about adding on an MBA, well that’s just one additional year. If you’re primarily interested in the MBA but are considering adding a law degree, well that’s two additional years. To me, this question is key – what is your primary area of interest?

If you are primarily interested in practicing at a law firm doing M&A work, then having an MBA will be both helpful and attractive to law firms … but not necessary. If you get great grades in law school, focus on business / transactional classes, and try to get some additional law clerk / internship experience, you should be very well placed for a good M&A legal job, especially in light of your current job experience. An MBA is indeed helpful for M&A lawyers to do a better job and add greater value, but you will not need it. In my opinion, if you’ve got a passion for this, then the short term financial hit will be worth it. If you’re thinking about doing it solely for the financial pay-out, not because you are passionately intrigued by the MBA subject matter, then I think it’s not worth it. Depending on where you work afterwards, you may have the opportunity to get an MBA through evening and weekend classes, so you can always go for the MBA later. On the other hand, life usually takes over, and it’s often harder to do this as time goes on. There’s something to be said for sucking it up while you’re young and taking an extra year for the MBA – IF you are deeply and genuinely interested in it.

Now, if your primary interest is in the MBA and you’re thinking about getting a joint law degree on the side / while you’re at it, I’d say don’t do it. Law school is too challenging for someone who’s not really into it. It would double the time required to get your degree. And I’m not sure that banks and companies looking for an MBA will be more excited or pay more for someone with a JD – especially since lawyers don’t really learn much at all about legal M&A while at law school. Most of your legal M&A expertise will need to be gained “hands on” while at a law firm. There’s really not much value in someone with a JD degree who doesn’t have experience practicing law. A company would never expect or hope that their business person with the JD degree would be giving legal advice. They are still going to need to hire experienced M&A lawyers.

Having a law degree or having an MBA will open up a wide variety of career opportunities for you and they will likely pay off financially in the long run. The value of getting both is questionable.

Now this advice is in a vacuum. I don’t know what “AVP” really means. I don’t know what your current salary is. I don’t know your career track at your company. I suggest you think about those things. Do some inquiries as to starting salaries (both law and banking / business) for your desired job. To me, you have to look at the financials AND you have to look at the intangibles. If you really think you’ll enjoy doing M&A work more than you “enjoy” your current job track, then that’s something, and even if the degree(s) set you back a bit financially, you’ve got a lifetime of a career ahead of you and it’s better to spend that time on something that inspires you.

Finally – are you sure you really want to get involved in this M&A stuff? It’s exciting and there’s a certain “high” you can get doing the deals, but it is extremely intense, hard work. In my experience it meant a lot of late nights and weekends and numerous through-the-nights, and a lot of it was boring grunt work that nevertheless required a lot of attention to detail. There’s a lot to learn and it continues to be daunting and challenging for years – if not forever. Doing M&A, it’s best if you’re the type that thrives in stressful environments. Are you? Make sure you talk to lawyers, bankers and business people who do M&A to get the best understanding possible as to what is involved.

Good luck!

Thank you so much for taking time to write a detailed analysis, and something that is actually useful to set the wheels of my mind rolling! Thanks a ton… I dont think anyone can add any more perspective to my question!

SoccerMomGenie, Your post is extremely helpful. Thanks

There are accelerated JD/MBA programs offered by a number of major universities, that can be completed in as little as 3 years. Which results in a substantial savings of both time and money. This article from U.S. News should help you decide if an accelerated JD/MBA program is for you:
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/law-admissions-lowdown/2012/10/09/5-benefits-of-a-dual-jdmba