<p>Ese, I’m not committing a logical fallacy. If I am, I apologise. Anyway, you are and it’s called ad hominem. I’m not arrogant enough to presume I’m smarter. Maybe you are but that’s irrelevant to my argument, refute my points or…</p>
<p>Btw did anyone read that quote. Took me quite a while to type it</p>
<p>Yeah, I did.</p>
<p>Yeah, America was originally a Christian nation. People from different sects of Christianity came here to have religious freedom (from other sects who weren’t so forgiving). But now, America isn’t a Christian nation. America has several religions. Basically, America still has Christianity in the form of her churches and Christians, but she also has all the other religions.</p>
<p>Yay! I answered the question without being biased or stabbing anybody personally!!
Go me! 
(In Chem I was told I was too ‘I-AM-RIGHT-AND-YOU-ARE-WRONG’ when it came to religious debates)</p>
<p>Has anyone ever wondered why there’re so many different sects of Christianity. Look at the situation in N. Ireland where ppl keep killing themselves over the same religion.</p>
<p>Anyways what I disagree with the most is religious manipulation e.g the abercrombie n fitch case with the muslim girl. All that should be condemned by all imo. That case was the primary reason I decided not to be a lawyer anymore. I just couldn’t deal with being a lying deceitful scumbag</p>
<p>america may be a christian nation in the sense that the majority of americans identify themselves as christian, but this country was not founded on christian ideals and our politics should not be treated as if it was. the most prominent founding fathers were mainly deists and the same man who wrote the declaration of independence also rewrote the bible and took out any mention of jesus.</p>
<p>and first of all, if abortion was illegal, it would still happen and it would be incredibly dangerous. before roe vs. wade, pregnant women would have their bodies beaten until the baby died or go to some makeshift “clinic” where someone not properly trained would operate on them. thousands upon thousands of women would die unnecessarily. </p>
<p>i personally have problems with late-term abortions and i would probably not get an abortion myself, but we should not be taking away other people’s rights. what about women who are rape and incest victims? women who experience complications and may die? women who are impoverished and would be unable to meet the cost of carrying a child for 9 months? getting an abortion is not an easy thing to do. most women don’t go in with the mentality that they “just don’t want to deal with the child.” i also find it ironic that the same people who are “pro-life” are often anti-contraceptive.</p>
<p>Not necessarily. A large amount of Americans are Christians, so they may feel America is a Christian nation because the people around them are, or they assume everybody is like them.</p>
<p>Abortion, hmmm. I’m personally not for it, and I’ve debated with myself on it’s legality. I PERSONALLY would never do it, but other women would. I’m not sure about that one haha. But I’m leaning towards banning it because you are killing another LIFE, even if it’s not a baby, it’s a LIFE</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0045.html[/url]”>http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0045.html</a></p>
<p>@Dizzying - It is evident that Christian values are incorporated in our laws (from the Ten Commandments). We cannot kill or steal, just as it says in the Ten Commandments. To say that not a single ounce of Christian values were incorporated into our nation is absurd.</p>
<p>The only anticontraceptive ppl are catholics. That same ‘it’s my body’ argument just keeps poppin up. It’s so annoying. Nobody gives a **** about you. All we’re talking about is the innocent human life being stabbed in the brain and left to die for the viewing pleasure of liberals</p>
<p>Any secular arguments against it?</p>
<p>@ Xenophanes:</p>
<p>[The</a> Apple Argument Against Abortion](<a href=“http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0045.html]The”>http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0045.html)</p>
<p>It doesn’t mention religion, it just happens to be on a catholic website</p>
<p>Read my post in the last page and see if you think it applies.</p>
<p>Compare point 6 and 7 of the article to my post.</p>
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<p>Um, no… Britain promised Palestine to the Jews in the Balfour Declaration of 1917. However, it took until 1948 for the Jewish state to be created. In the years leading up to WWII, the British increasingly curbed Jewish immigration into Palestine. The British wanted Arab support in the war, leading them to kowtow to the Arabs and renege on their promise under the Balfour Declaration. Jewish refuges from Europe were forced to immigrate illegally to Palestine–the British preferred dead Jews and friendly Arabs to hostile Arabs and saving lives.
After the war, Jewish survivors of the Holocaust who returned to their homes in Poland, Ukraine, and other Eastern European countries were often murdered. Many Jews, now without homes and fearing further violence, wanted to flee to Palestine. However, the British resisted, leading to more illegal immigration. Those caught trying to enter Palestine–Holocaust refugees, often children and orphans–were held by the British in internment camps in Cyprus indefinitely. The situation was so bad that an extreme Jewish group engaged in violence against the British in Palestine. Finally, the British Labour government–a post-war loan from the US in jeopardy because of its behavior in trying to halt immigration into Palestine–referred the problem to the UN.
In 1947 the partition plan was ratified by the UN; however, the British resisted moving out of Palestine as they did not want to anger the Arabs. In fact, the British even continued detaining Jews trying to enter Palestine–and held some Jews on Cyprus until March 1949! The UN security council was also unwilling to enforce the partition plan. But, finally in May 1948 the British withdrawal was complete, and on May 14, 1948 Israel declared independence.</p>
<p>Sorry if that was rather long but I wanted to make sure you were aware of what happened. To say that “Israel was created with the help of Britain” is patently untrue.</p>
<p>@dusterbug- [Is</a> prayer being suppressed?](<a href=“http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/pray2b.htm]Is”>Is prayer being suppressed?)
[South</a> Texas Federal Judge Bans High School Graduation Prayer](<a href=“http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/South_Texas_Federal_Judge_Bans_High_School_Graduation_Prayer.html]South”>http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/South_Texas_Federal_Judge_Bans_High_School_Graduation_Prayer.html)
[Student</a> Suspended For Praying? - Archive - Fox Nation](<a href=“http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2009/04/13/student-suspended-praying]Student”>http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2009/04/13/student-suspended-praying)</p>
<p>Sadly, there are even more stories like this one. It even happened to me: I brought a Bible to school to recess, reading it to myself, and then a student “told” on me, and the next thing I knew I was in the principal’s office, being told that I had broke a rule, and being sent home the same day.
In middle school, I had begun to pray over my own lunch, next, I was told by teacher’s that I was offending students. </p>
<p>And when the Ten Commandment are being taken out of courtrooms, [Ten</a> Commandments judge removed from office - CNN](<a href=“http://articles.cnn.com/2003-11-13/justice/moore.tencommandments_1_ethics-panel-state-supreme-court-building-ethics-charges?_s=PM:LAW]Ten”>http://articles.cnn.com/2003-11-13/justice/moore.tencommandments_1_ethics-panel-state-supreme-court-building-ethics-charges?_s=PM:LAW), I think it’s safe to say that Christianity is surely but slowly leaving this country.</p>
<p>Quomodo You have totally distorted facts. Britain under the guise of acting under the UN actively supported Jewish immigration</p>
<p>Tofugirl- and at the same time islamic influence is rising. Sharia is now allowed in arbitration. I still blame PC for making americans so scared to even fight for what they believe in</p>
<p>^ Yeah, your republican propaganda lied to you. Nothing wrong with Sharia court (not law)</p>
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<p>i assure you that several other religious books also advise against killing and stealing. if america had no tinge of religious influence then they would still most likely be outlawed. it was explicitly stated in the treaty of tripoli that america was “not in any sense founded on the christian religion.” christianity undoubtedly influenced america, but most of that influence has occurred in the past century and a half or so. i’m not saying that america was ever completely secular, because it wasn’t. but the founding fathers never intended america to be a “christian nation.”</p>
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<p>right. because it’s completely okay to disregard an adult’s life. you are being entirely dramatic and unreasonable. i don’t think most liberals sit around and watch abortions. i ask again: what about rape victims? impoverished women? women who may die if they continue their pregnancy?</p>
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<p>In those cases, prayer wasn’t allowed because it was sponsored by the school and the school employees, not because an individual wanted to pray for themselves (I talking about the 1st two). The student suspended for praying one? Because the school threatened to expel the student, doesn’t mean it is correctly justified. The officials are not always right. If they knew anything about the previous cases about student prayer, they wouldn’t have acted that way. The student was praying WITH the teacher only, they were not praying for a public assembly or something. That should NOT have been reported; it was a personal action between two people.</p>
<p>School prayer is not ok when the school endorses it (graduation case), EVEN if it is voluntary and people agree.</p>
<p>What about rape victims. What about them? Can’t the baby be aborted from the woman without being killed. </p>
<p>And infact I am correct. Sharia IS allowed in arbitration, not as law. I never said as law. And I’m not a republican. Gosh</p>