<p>Can a student who has been admitted or attends Barnard say that they attend or have been accepted to Columbia? I have heard from a newly admitted student that they are basically the same school, only one is on one side of Broadway and the other on the other side. Curious.</p>
<p>the newly admitted student is mistaken.</p>
<p>In New York among the cognoscenti this would be considered misleading. The required courses are different. The admissions committees are different etc. Barnard chose to maintain a separate identity, which it has on the East Coast.
In distant parts of the country Barnard students will often describe Barnard as part of Columbia in order to explain where Barnard is. The people they are talking to have only a vague idea of what Columbia is much less Barnard. This is not an incorrect statement. Barnard has a 30% course overlap in terms of where classes occur. The diploma says Columbia University. The university president sits on Columbia's board. Barnard women compete on Columbia's teams etc.
I would avoid making that statement except to answer a follow-up question.</p>
<p>Barnard is a Columbia Affiliate, here's what constitutes their relationship:</p>
<p>what seperates them:
1)you can apply to both, get admitted to one and rejected from the other.
2)your degree does say Barnard so, if for whatever reason you want to, you can't hide the fact that you go to barnard instead of cc/seas
3)there are different requirements for barnard academics
4)There are two seperate presidents, Shapiro for Barnard College, Bollinger for Columbia university.
5) Housing and disciplinary action is seperate, although there are cases both in which a columbia kid lives in barnard housing and vice versa, (the latter occurs less frequently). Barnard and Columbia students need to be signed into the other's residence halls like any other visitor.
6) Barnard has its own seperate campus across the street, and is not a coed school.</p>
<p>what connects them:
1)your degree says columbia university, Barnard College.
2) you can take columbia classes in large numbers.
3) ECs overlap - clubs, sports teams et al.
4) You can eat at and use campus facilities (such as the gyms and computer labs) of both campuses.</p>
<p>And of course in our modern world, the most important indicator of all:</p>
<p>Barnard shows up as Columbia on Facebook ;)</p>
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<p>GOD that's the worst.</p>
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there are cases both in which a columbia kid lives in barnard housing
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<p>Is there, like, a way to formally apply for that? :D</p>
<p>To find out the procedure for applying to live in Barnard housing, go here:</p>
<p>The admit probably said that because many people have not heard of Barnard, but she still wants recognition for where she is going (there is nothing wrong with that!)</p>
<p>There is a huge overlap between both schools, especially because of the shared clubs and classes, but there are significant differences as well. They are certainly not the same school, however, I think that one should be able to say that they are a part of Columbia University if they are going to Barnard.</p>
<p>Not really- I think the Core is a huge factor differentiating the schools (even within SEAS).</p>
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I think that one should be able to say that they are a part of Columbia University if they are going to Barnard.
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<p>No, they can say they are affiliated with columbia, not part of columbia.</p>
<p>From Columbia's website:</p>
<p>Applying to Columbia:</p>
<p>Columbia University has 4 major undergraduate schools: Columbia College , Barnard College , the School of Engineering and Applied Science , and the School of General Studies . Each school has its own application procedure, however online information is centralized under the following webpage: Applying to Columbia</p>
<p>Where on Columbia's site can that be found? Because in the Prospective Students section (from which you start to get to any of the applications) it lists CC, SEAS, and GS as the only "Undergraduate Schools" at Columbia, with Barnard listed as an "Affiliated School":</p>
<p>Columbia</a> University: Prospective Students</p>
<p>And as for how a Barnard student should best introduce herself...isn't it best to tell the truth before talking about any affiliation with Columbia? Say "I go to Barnard"; if the person you're speaking with doesn't know what that is, you can say simply "It's the women's college affiliated with Columbia University" or even "the women's college of Columbia University". That's easy enough, no? Somehow I don't buy the argument that Barnard girls need to start out by saying "I go to Columbia" just because not everyone knows what or where Barnard is.</p>
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or even "the women's college of Columbia University".
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<p>This is undoubtedly misleading, let alone clearly inaccurate.</p>
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<p>Certainly, but I think less so than just claiming to go to "Columbia" without any other explanation.</p>
<p>The diploma from either Columbia College or Barnard College says Columbia University. This discussion goes on every year.</p>
<p>NightOwl, I never said that I start off conversations as a "I go to Columbia". I applied early to Barnard and I prefer over Columbia College immensely. However, not everyone has heard of Barnard (some people have, and I end the convo right there). So, I explain to them what Barnard is (liberal arts school in NYC), ending with its relationship to Columbia ("basically the all women's undergrad college"). I never, ever ever say simply "I am going to Columbia".</p>
<p>Honestly, why do you guys even care though? If I'm going to be there, taking Columbia classes, working with Columbia professors, playing Columbia sports, and joining Columbia clubs and organizations, why wouldn't I have the right to identify myself as a student of the University? Barnard and Columbia have had a long history together, and that bond shouldn't lessen just because Columbia decided to admit female students only about 20 so years ago.</p>
<p>And just another tidbit, the Teacher's College is also considered an affiliate of Columbia University, however, those who go there certainly think of it as a graduate school of Columbia. </p>
<p>And I found the quote that I had previously posted here:
Undergraduate</a> Program in Biological Sciences</p>
<p>Oy...not sure which thread to reply in, so I'll choose this one. ;)</p>
<p>I'll say first that the second half of my previous post was not directed at you personally--my fault, I should have made that more clear.</p>
<p>Second, I did not at all mean to offend or "bash on" Barnard. I have nothing but respect for Barnard and Barnard students (and hey, I even know a couple). I love that the resources of CU and BC are available to students of both schools, and I know for a fact that I'll be taking courses at Barnard. And my point was certainly not that Barnard students are all a bunch of liars who wish they had gotten into Columbia College...I know that the majority are like you, women who are proud to go to Barnard and proud to introduce themselves as Barnard students.</p>
<p>Rather, my post was directed at Barnard students (I'm not making them up, I swear! I've heard of them! I've even seen one with my own eyes!) who do simply tell people they "go to Columbia" rather than explaining that they are in Barnard College. Face it--though one can definitely point to history and argue that Barnard is a college "of" Columbia University, there is a difference between the two. Does that mean those particular BC students are beneath Columbia or couldn't have gotten in there? Absolutely not...but you have to admit, neglecting to bring up Barnard is a slight bend of the truth and probably indicates the student's insecurity about where they go to school.</p>
<p>In short, I was not trying to make a statement about the institution itself, or even about the majority of students there. I was simply trying to make a statement about those students who do fail to mention Barnard for reasons that likely have more to do with name-branding than with the convenience of the person they're talking to.</p>
<p>So again, I really do apologize...I didn't intend to come off as a jerk, and I certainly didn't intend to pass for a current student--when the topic calls for it, I'm always up front about my status as a lowly CC '12. ;) Hope that clears things up a bit.</p>
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Honestly, why do you guys even care though?
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you said it yourself, it's not a well known institution. it's an issue of prestige</p>
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If I'm going to be there, taking Columbia classes, working with Columbia professors, playing Columbia sports, and joining Columbia clubs and organizations, why wouldn't I have the right to identify myself as a student of the University?
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<p>This is one thing I don't get about some barnard students. What's the point of going to an all-womens college if you are going to choose to take the majority of your classes in a coed setting? (Not referring to you specifically but I know barnard girls who do this). At that point the only reason to go to an all girls school is so that you only live with girls and there are always single gender floors and dorms at almost every school.</p>
<p>Well, I come from an immigrant family and when talking to relatives in my native country, I find that I generally have to provide more detail shortly after saying that I'll be attending Barnard College next fall. I go with explaining it as the "women's college of Columbia University." </p>
<p>Some of you disagree with the validity of this statement also, but when most people ask, they really just want to know where your college is and whether it's academically challenging, not the peculiarities of the Barnard-College relationship. Just my two cents.</p>