Is being Jewish useful for college admissions?

<p>B) The desire of secular jews to cling on to their heritage without actually living as a religious jew.</p>

<p>That's most likely what it is. I found this response to someone who asked the same question on another website, which touches upon the issue in the Soviet Union:</p>

<p>As to your friend, though: During the Soviet era, the government of
the USSR indicated the offical 'nationality' of each of its citizens
on official records and documents (like passports). Whereas some
passports said 'Russian' or 'Ukrainian' or 'Latvian' or the like, the
passports of Jews said 'Jewish.' The Soviet government was officially
atheistic and didn't have much patience for religion, but it
recognized the Jews as a distinct national/ethnic/cultural/etc. group.
I have a number of friends who emigrated from the USSR once the
borders opened under Perestroika, and I've seen these passports.
Traditionally, Russian Jews weren't particularly religiously
observant, but they still saw themselves as a distinct ethnic group,
not the least because of the persecution they suffered from the
various pogroms and other antisemetic incidents that populate Russian
history.
(I'm not sure if this labeling is a practice the post-Soviet Russian
government continues.)
So the idea of a 'half Russian, half Jewish' person actually makes a
lot of sense to me -- one parent was Russian, and one was Jewish. In
that sense, yes, Judaism can be <em>treated</em> as an ethnicity, certainly.
Whether or not it <em>is</em> one is a harder question, as Politicalguru
pointed out.
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<p>I'm really sorrry I started this godforsaken thread. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A JOKE! This website breeds overly active minds.</p>

<p>The International Whaling Commission (IWC) was set up by the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling on December 2, 1946 with a headquarters in Cambridge, England. The role of the inter-governmental commission is to periodically review and revise the Schedule to the Convention, controlling the conduct of whaling by setting the protection of certain species; designating areas as whale sanctuaries; setting limits on the numbers and size of catches; prescribing open and closed seasons and areas for whaling; controlling aboriginal subsistence whaling; and other measures.</p>

<p>Each signatory state of the convention is represented by a Commissioner at the IWC. There are currently 45 members. The IWC has three main committees - Scientific, Technical, and Finance and Administration. Meetings are held annually in May or June and are generally extremely divisive - demonstrating a complete split on all major issues between the pro-whaling nations and their supporters and the anti-whaling nations.</p>

<p>The IWC introduced an open ended moratorium on all commercial whaling in 1986. However the Convention grants special permits to allow whale killing for scientific purposes. Since 1986 only Norway, Iceland and especially Japan have been issued with permits, with Japan being the sole permit holder since 1995 as part of their 16-year programme. Norway lodged a protest to the zero catch limits in 1992 and is not bound by them.</p>

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Hitler and the Nazis did not have the Holocaust because they were picking on people who believed in God.

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Do you justify your actions based on what Hitler did? I wouldn't admit that in public if I were you.</p>

<p>Research in the American Arctic has revealed that the polar bear and bowhead whale populations are booming after decades of decline, and part of the reason for that may be global warming. </p>

<p>Although the long-term predictions suggest many Arctic species could be jeopardised by any continued rise in temperatures, scientists think that at the moment some animal populations may be benefiting from a slightly warmer climate. </p>

<p>In the Arctic desert of Northern Alaska, a tiny monitoring station is tracking the polar climate. </p>

<p>Research over three decades shows the amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere has steadily increased. Temperatures have also risen by a tenth of one degree every year since 1977. </p>

<p>Dan Endres, who runs the station, says even small changes can have a significant impact. </p>

<p>"An increase of about two degrees (Celsius) can mean as much as another month of open water," he said. No-one knows if the trend will continue. </p>

<p>If it does, the Arctic Ocean could be completely free of summer ice towards the end of this century. That could devastate the wildlife that relies on it for hunting, breeding, and protection from shipping. </p>

<p>But for now, though, some species are positively booming.</p>

<p>Gus, it's June. The Class of '09 has already gotten all their acceptances and class of '10 hasn't really started in earnest. But after almost a year of visting and checking out posts on this site, some of us just haven't yet weaned ourselves away. So we're desperate for anything to write about!</p>

<p>(Me... I'm just wondering how many posts it will take to bump me up from being a Junior member.)</p>

<p>I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure the cutoff between junior member and member is 400.</p>

<p>did not read half these postings...but about jews as an ethnicity. jews are a race (because they have rarely mixed or intermarried in their thousands of years of existence) that consists of many ethnicities. thus, there are black jews from ethiopia, white jews from europe, dark jews from north africa and the middle east, hispanic jews from spain and those who immigrated to latin america and even asian jews. thus, some jews are URMs while others arent - i have friends who wrote middle eastern on their apps and got into top ten colleges and thats fine because they are middle eastern and jewish.</p>

<p>cool2bar, no need to become so defensive over this issue. Most people on this board just want to communicate their thoughts on this topic. Of course if you really want to know, you can always ask a professor of Jewish studies</p>

<p>I didn't even know Middle Eastern was considered a minority. Is that really true? I thought just African American, Hispanic, American Indian, Alaska Native, Hawaiian Native, or Pacific Islander.</p>

<p>I'm not being defensive, I'm just trying to educate people who are sadly misinformed. I have no reason to ask a Jewish Studies Professor, I am well aware of my beliefs and where they come from.</p>

<p>All of this is about breaking the human race into different groups, whether by politics, race, nationality, ethnicity, religion or any of an infinite number of other possible criteria. There is a joke that there are two kinds of people, people who split everything into two types and people who don't. What is clear though is that humans like to classify things. We classify food in categories such as poisonous or nonpoisonous, vegetable or meat, good and bad. We classify people in categories such as desirable or undesirable, smart and stupid, right and wrong, friends and enemies. </p>

<p>The basis upon which individual people divide the human race depends on the subjective value system of the individual making the division. If someone likes cars excessively, they might find themselves dividing the word into people who like Chevies versus people who like Fords, and they might be very pronounced in this view. They might refer to Ford people as being incredibly ignorant. I find that people can often come close to blows about whether or not a particular movie is good or not. A religious person who has found the one true faith can be intolerant towards those who haven't. There may be individuals in every religion who are intolerant but Fundamentalist Christians and Radical Muslems tend to be the extremists at the moment. </p>

<p>Perhaps divisions based upon race, nationality, ethnicity, and religion are the most destructive. All three of these divisions tend to lead to wars. However, the classification of objects into categories is the basis of human intelligence. Without that ability, there can be no abstract thinking. It exists at the lowest level such as distinguishing predators from food, and it exists at the highest level of mathematical reasoning.</p>

<p>All such divisions exist only in an individual's mind and should be judged only by the criteria of whether or not they are useful. If someone's main subjective value is religion, the word Jew will be used in a religious context. If someone's main subjective value is nationality or ethnicity, the the word Jew will be used in that context. Either use can be good or bad. A religious context might be used to promote the religious aspects or to exclude others from God. A ethnicity context might be to promote the Jewish heritage or to breed hatred. </p>

<p>No minority gets to tell everyone else what the word Jew means. It is the English language and usage of any word is determined by the majority, and the dictionary attempts to document what that may be. In the 1970's there was an effort by the feminist movement to redefine words. Firefighter replaced fireman. Chairperson replaced chairman. Fisher/fisherperson never did replace fisherman. However, this was a concerted effort by the US government. For that matter, the current definitions of races are defined by the US government for the purpose of tracking such things as Affirmative Action. If anyone has a problem with the meaning of the word Jew, whatever that may be, I would suggest some adjectives such as devout Jew or ethnic Jew. </p>

<p>From what I have seen on this thread, it does seem that the ethnicity and religious aspects are closely intertwined. This is not true for Christians since it has only the religious meaning. If someone was raised Christian and becomes an atheist, they will still celebrate Christmas. I am not Jewish, but I can see that this might not be true for Jews. Still, a Christian who renounces Christianity does not exclude himself from their ethnicity, culture and heritage.</p>

<p>Aren't there any forum on the net about being Jewish?</p>

<p>"Ethnicity refers to selected cultural and sometimes physical characteristics used to classify people into (ethnic) groups or categories considered to be significantly different from others. Commonly recognized American ethnic groups include American Indians, Latinos, Chinese, African Americans, European Americans, etc. In some cases, ethnicity involves merely a loose group identity with little or no cultural traditions in common. This is the case with many Irish and German Americans. In contrast, some ethnic groups are coherent subcultures with a shared language and body of tradition. Newly arrived immigrant groups often fit this pattern.</p>

<p>It is important not to confuse the term minority with ethnic group. Ethnic groups may be either a minority or a majority in a population. Whether a group is a minority or a majority also is not an absolute fact but depends on the perspective. For instance, in some towns along the southern border of the U.S., people of Mexican ancestry are the overwhelming majority population and control most of the important social and political institutions but are still defined by state and national governments as a minority. In small homogenous societies, such as those of hunters and gatherers and pastoralists, there is essentially only one ethnic group and no minorities.</p>

<p>For many people, ethnic categorization implies a connection between biological inheritance and culture. They believe that biological inheritance determines much of cultural identity. If this were true, for instance, African American cultural traits, such as "black English", would stem from genetic inheritance. This is not true. The pioneering 19th century English anthropologist E. B. Tylor was able to demonstrate conclusively that biological race and culture are not the same thing. It is clear that any one can be placed into another culture shortly after birth and can be thoroughly enculturated to that culture, regardless of their skin color, body shape, and other presumed racial features.</p>

<p>For example, both women in the photographs on the right are genetically African, but they do not speak the same language nor do they share any other significant cultural patterns due to the fact that they were brought up in very different societies. The African American woman is far more similar culturally to her European American neighbors than to the Senegalese woman.</p>

<p>A race is a biological subspecies , or variety of a species, consisting of a more or less distinct population with anatomical traits that distinguish it clearly from other races. This biologist's definition does not fit the reality of human genetic variation today. We are biologically an extremely homogenous species. As a matter of fact, all humans today are 99.9% genetically identical, and most of the variation that does occur is in the difference between males and females and our unique personal traits. This homogeneity is very unusual in the animal kingdom. Even our closest relatives, the chimpanzees have 2-3 times more genetic variation than people. Orangutans have 8-10 times more variation.</p>

<p>It is now clear that our human "races" are cultural creations, not biological realities. The concept of human biological races is based on the false assumption that anatomical traits, such as skin color and specific facial characteristics, cluster together in single distinct groups of people. They do not. There are no clearly distinct "black", "white", or other races.</p>

<p>The popularly held view of human races ignores the fact that anatomical traits supposedly identifying a particular race are often found extensively in other populations as well. This is due to the fact that similar natural selection factors in different parts of the world often result in the evolution of similar adaptations. For instance, intense sunlight in tropical latitudes has selected for darker skin color as a protection from intense ultraviolet radiation. As a result, the dark brown skin color characteristic of sub-Saharan Africans is also found among unrelated populations in the Indian subcontinent, Australia, New Guinea, and elsewhere in the Southwest Pacific.</p>

<p>The actual patterns of biological variation among humans are extremely complex and constantly changing. They can also be deceptive. All of us could be classified into a number of different "races", depending on what genetic traits are emphasized. For example, if you divide people up on the basis of stature or blood types, the geographic groupings are clearly different from those defined on the basis of skin color. Using the B blood type for defining races, Australian Aborigines would be lumped together with most Native Americans. Some Africans would be in the same race as Europeans while others would be categorized with Asians.</p>

<p>Historically, human "races" have been defined on the basis of a small number of superficial anatomical characteristics that can be readily identified at a distance, thereby making discrimination easier. Focusing on such deceptive distinguishing traits as skin color, body shape, and hair texture causes us to magnify differences and ignore similarities between people. It is also important to remember that these traits are no more accurate in making distinctions between human groups than any other genetically inherited characteristics. All such attempts to scientifically divide humanity into biological races have proven fruitless.</p>

<p>In the final analysis, it is clear that people, not nature, create our identities. Ethnicity and supposed "racial" groups are largely cultural and historical constructs. They are primarily social rather than biological phenomena. This does not mean that they do not exist. To the contrary, "races" are very real in the world today. In order to understand them, however, we must look into culture and social interaction rather than biological evolution"</p>

<p>From <a href="http://anthro.palomar.edu/ethnicity/ethnic_1.htm#return_from_ethnic_identity_question%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://anthro.palomar.edu/ethnicity/ethnic_1.htm#return_from_ethnic_identity_question&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I am a reformed Jew, and I am Russian, too. But I am a fourth-generation Russian, and have few if any ties to Russia. I had my friend teach me some Russian last summer, but other than that, I have nothing to do with Russia. Does that make me not racial Russian? No, I am still racially Russian (Caucazoid, as they say), and slightly ethnically Russian. Really though, I am ethnically Jewish and American. Race, as it was said earlier, has few variations, and ethnicity means much more. Ethnicity can greatly vary. Most people that consider there to be distinct racial groups consider three; Mongoloid, Caucazoid, and Negroid. The US government also includes Native American on its list of possibilities, and it may include Hispanic or Latino as a possible choice on the census. This issue is hotly debated.</p>

<p>Even though this thread was started as a joke, let us address the issue anyway. Jews , an extremely small minority in the US and the world, get no preferential treatment in college admissions for any reason. Many advertisements and signs appeared in the papers and various other places, stating, “Blacks and Jews need not apply” for various jobs. This also occurred with other ethnic groups, such as the Irish. Jews get no special treatment. Anti-Semitism also existed in the elite Ivies, where people knew Jews were not admitted, and admissions officers give no special consideration. </p>

<p>I would say, however, that Jews do have an advantage in college admissions, just like Asians. The trend in Asian households is to have parents encouraging, motivating, or sometimes forcing children to work hard and perform well, and Judaism tends to produce similar results. Many Jewish parents expect from their Jewish children what many Asian adults expect from their Asian children. Also, the religion survived because its practitioners were learned scholars, and the culture includes much thought. Many spend years of their lives studying the intricacies of obscure laws. A lot of Jewish kids learn Hebrew and read various texts including the Torah, causing other learning to be easier for them, eventually leading to the possibility of harder classes, better grades, and therefore, college admissions.</p>

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<p>This is far less so today than in the past. Most middle class American Jews today are almost fully assimilated. Certainly to the point where their children have the modern TV Reality show induced ADAH attention span of their non Jewish peers. Very few study Hebrew or Talmud. Those that do for the most part, do it in Yeshivas which stress those areas over those secular subjects necessary for college admission. The schools also (generally) have lesser lab facilities, sports, fewer AP classes etc etc.</p>

<p>Even if true this would be an individual advantage, not a group advantage. Any Catholic parent who sent his or her child to a quality Jesuit School where they learned Latin, the values of diligent hard work and rigorous argument would reap at least the same individual benefits.</p>

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This is far less so today than in the past. Most middle class American Jews today are almost fully assimilated. Certainly to the point where their children have the modern TV Reality show induced ADAH attention span of their non Jewish peers. Very few study Hebrew or Talmud. Those that do for the most part, do it in Yeshivas which stress those areas over those secular subjects necessary for college admission. The schools also (generally) have lesser lab facilities, sports, fewer AP classes etc etc.

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I am a Modern Orthodox Jew. I watch TV, I go to the movies, I shop in the mall. I study...alot. I attend a Modern Orthodox Yeshiva where I study Hebrew, Talmud, Tanach and Halacha. I am also taking four APs. We have one lab, which suffices for our 150 students. We have a basketball team, a softball team, a hockey team, a soccer team, a track team, a swimming team. (No, football and wrestling don't really go over well in an all girls school) We have Model UN, Mock Trial, Debate, Newspaper, Drama, Student Government..I could go on forever. Everyday I take 11 classes, and often I don't get home until 7 or 8 due to extracurricular activities.
Am I unique? Not to me, for I know thousands of students just like me. Many of them go to Columbia, UPenn, Princeton, Barnard, Harvard, U of Maryland, Rutgers, Boston University, Brandeis, Cornell, MIT, NYU. And yes, many of them also go to Yeshiva University.<br>
I'm not asking for preferential treatment, I'm not asking to be special. I'm asking that my accomplishments and my hard work are not equal to those of a "Jew" who attends a regular high school, gets home at three, Goes out on Saturday, and has Christmas.</p>

<p>Are "Jews" considered a seperate race? I don't think it appears as an option to select under "race" on the standardized tests...I might be wrong because I almost always selected the first option - asian...</p>

<p>No Jews are not a separate race. Judaism is a religion, and the collegeboard does not, and has no right to, ask you your religion.</p>

<p>a descendance from arabia is called an arab. :P</p>

<p>"I'm asking that my accomplishments and my hard work are not equal to those of a "Jew" who attends a regular high school, gets home at three, Goes out on Saturday, and has Christmas."</p>

<p>cool2bars: This thread is obviously more personal for you than it is for me, but I am trying to understand what you are saying. Are you reserving the word "Jew" to mean someone that really deserves to be called jewish? Devotion to ones religious beliefs (or lack thereof) is a personal matter and not a criteria I would rank anyone on. If a person is a devout Jew or an atheist, I don't care. I would give someone credit for religious tolerance, but not for being an adherent to any religion. Making distinctions between people based upon their level of devotion seems really alien to me. The rest that you are talking about such as your rigourous schedule and EC's are things that colleges are looking for and congratuations.</p>

<p>dufus, I think he meant anyone jewish, according to (real) jewish law. Jews who convert to Christianity and other religions are still considered Jews. It doesnt have anything to do with devotion, though in regards to certain rules, non religious jews, as determined by sabbath observance, are considered nonjews. Yayin Mevushal or boiled wine is one case.</p>