<p>Since then Brown’s admissions rate has dropped and our yield has gone up.</p>
<p>So you tell me, muetra, other than your extensive group of friends, where are you drawing your crap from?</p>
<p>woah .</p>
<p>…So has Penn’s. I believe we are now within 2.8 percentage points north of yours? And our yield has always been higher (albeit because of ruthless ED use).</p>
<p>The main point I was trying to make had nothing to do with either of those points. It was that, for better or for worse, Penn/Columbia have been climbing in popularity while Brown has waned.</p>
<p>I still have a great deal of respect for Brown, though, and will continue to. All those in the know realize what a great school it is.</p>
<p>There’s a girl from Brown who’s a grad student in one of my classes this semester. She and I have actually spoken about this at length.</p>
<p>I’m saying you’ve got no data which supports waning popularity of any institution by revealed preferences since like you said, there hasn’t been a new survey. Any data that could be used to talk about popularity, yield and admissions rates as well as number of applicants, does not support your claim.</p>
<p>You’re using your own preference and ten friends guide fact. It’s stupid.</p>
<p>More than that, this **** doesn’t matter at all.</p>
<p>FWIW, Brown was considerably harder for me to get into than other schools. I was the first person from my high school accepted at Brown in 10 years, whereas we send every year to Penn, Cornell, Columbia, and MIT (we rarely have students interested in HYP for whatever reason).</p>
<p>The process is specific to a student, a school, and even an admissions counselor. The comparisons at this level exist in a realm of statistical stupidity.</p>
<p>It’s amazing people still think they can talk with any authority on this.</p>
<p>I hope your not studying anything which involves research at Penn. If that’s the case, well, it’s an indictment on how little you’ve learned about how you can appropriately use experience (your ten friends) along with various data to come to valid conclusions. This **** wouldn’t pass muster on your first 2 page paper for a crappy social science class.</p>
<p>No, it definitely wouldn’t.</p>
<p>Nor would using a 5 year old study to reference CURRENT trends.</p>
<p>Moreover, you just offered your own anecdotal evidence, in the way of your high school example.</p>
<p>Is this the pot calling the kettle fraudulent?</p>
<p>You’re suffering the same syndrome, I’m afraid.</p>
<p>What is certainly indicative is common opinion. To cite some, on a the Penn 2012 facebook page, there was an in-depth conversation regarding Penn vs Brown.</p>
<p>A number of students weighed in on the matter. All of them had been cross-admitted; all of them had chosen Penn. This is selection bias to the extreme, of course, but even the kid who started the thread - who was still uncertain - admitted that Penn seemed to him more prestigious and had a better “brand.” His only reason for choosing Brown was that it seemed, in his mind, “more chill.”</p>
<p>He chose Brown, ultimately. One of the few who spoke up on the group to do so. I’m sure that just as many kids chose Brown over Penn, but I’m just saying: this is popular opinion.</p>
<p>Can we agree to disagree, or are you going to cite EVEN more anecdotal evidence?</p>
<p>I’m not a big fan of inconclusive battles of Manichaean scale on internet message boards, but I’ll be here if you’d like to keep going.</p>
<p>You do realize I provided my anecdote specifically to make fun of what you’re saying right?</p>
<p>Let’s agree you should never have posted about **** you don’t know about in this thread. Let’s agree that a Facebook post and your friends is not “popular opinion” considering you’re at Penn. Let’s agree my first post was the most correct thing said so far:</p>
<p>This is why this crap is stupid. So many people talk about subjective or anecdotal crap and what information people have tried to collect on this sort of thing is barely passable as useful.
**
Why don’t overly competitive high school students sit down, relax, and assess what they want from their education and then choose the right destination to create that experience?</p>
<p>Stop worrying about meaningless crap. Life is too short and too awesome to spend time wondering how you can compare every aspect of your life to those around you.**</p>
<p>I like your invocation of Socrates.</p>
<p>The wisest one is she who knows she is not wise. I’ll drink to that.</p>
<p>muerte has his/her gas floored with the brakes on. lots of commotion but no progression. case closed.</p>
<p>If it makes you feel better modestmelody. I’m applying ED to Brown because it has everything I want in a college. I’m not applying to all of the Ivy’s just because they have the “prestige” or whatever. Brown is the only Ivy I’m applying to because it (in my opinion) is the right school for me. Hopefully Brown will concur. So I agree with you. Apply to Brown because you want to go to BROWN, not “an ivy.”</p>
<p>peeps are outa control!
but i love it.</p>
<p>Wolfmanjack, did you notice how modestmelody, lacking any evidence that was newer than half a decade old, hastily resolved the confrontation by simply rejecting the premises? Given her reaction, I would hardly describe my argument as “lots of commotion but no progression.”</p>
<p>If anything, your description is completely incorrect.</p>
<p>Whatevs.</p>
<p>No. it is not.</p>
<p>Yes. It is so.</p>
<p>I never presented evidence, I just talked about how your conclusions came from the worst information (or lack thereof). You simply said that the only direct evidence on the subject is too old to be useful.</p>
<p>I never even made the point that Brown is more desirable directly, just that it’s ridiculous to A) care B) pretend that your limited, anecdotal experience is useful in drawing a general conclusion.</p>
<p>And btw, I’m a guy.</p>
<p>< Jason, nice to meet you. “modestmelody” comes from a song.</p>
<p>I agreed about my evidence being worth a pile of beans, but submitted that perhaps your outdated info was just as (un)informative, since the world of college admissions and the brains of college applicants are volatile ones, indeed.</p>
<p>Point of fact - 5 years ago, no one would have considered Chicago better than Cornell, let alone a top 10-undergrad, but now they do.</p>
<p>As for your gender; forgive me, both your user name and my prejudices led me to believe you were female, as I am.</p>
<p>Pleased to make your acquaintance. I’m Sam(antha).</p>
<p>Saying that the “things have changed” in the last 5 years doesn’t make it so. Furthermore, even though things do change from year to year that doesn’t mean that YOU KNOW the things which have changed and can rattle on about them as if it’s scientific. The 5 year old study I posted is the more of solid source than anything you’ve drug out of the gutter. Same with the postulation about UChicago. It’s not a point of fact, it’s a point of your opinion.</p>
<p>It’s true, I do enjoy drugging things out of the gutter.</p>
<p>It’s incredible that you truly don’t understand the amount of influence US News has on the bodies and minds of this generation. When Chicago moved from #17 to #9, they saw a jump in applicants; from 9,000 to 11,000.</p>
<p>That just goes to show that things like revealed preference can change MIGHTY fast.</p>
<p>I agree, Rosarita13.</p>
<p>Brown is the only Ivy I’m applying too and like you, I believe it to be the school that best fits me. </p>
<p>And with that said, I am only applying to schools similar to Brown, i.e. Amherst.</p>
<p>To go back to the OP’s question, which was whether Brown is “easier” to get into than other Ivies, it’s very hard to answer this for any particular student. It’s obvious that the class that matriculates at Brown has slightly lesser objective stats than those at several other Ivies. So, in the sense that Brown appears to be willing to accept (slightly) more lower-stats applicants, that suggests that Brown is “easier” to get into. That doesn’t tell you, however, what else Brown may be looking for that may make it difficult for a particular applicant to get in, even one with high stats. Bottom line: if you like Brown, apply there.</p>
<p>Ad hominem attacks for the win!</p>
<p>Brown had close to zero appeal for me, but that doesn’t mean I don’t consider it a phenomenal school that (as do all Ivies except for Cornell) attracts the very best and brightest students across America. And it’s balls hard to get accepted…</p>