<p>But I bet many of those EECS acceptees who also were admitted to harvard or princeton will choose to go to an ivy league. </p>
<p>IMO, prestige should be based MORE on quality of education/faculty/students&alumni, not just on selectivity and admit rates. If your local state school only accepted 100 kids next year, nobody would call it prestigious anymore, they’d just call it a dumb move.</p>
<p>EECS yield is ridiculously high, closer to 80%.<br>
Most EECS applicants do not apply to Harvard or Princeton because they are interested in EECS.</p>
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<p>Personally, I don’t see why EECS would be that selective now that the CS program in L&S is unimpacted. There’s little practical difference between getting a BA in CS and getting a BS in EECS Option IV, which most EECS students choose. Heck, the BA program may actually be better for those students who perform poorly can just switch to some creampuff major in L&S and still graduate, whereas a BS EECS student who performs poorly can easily find himself caught in the engineering major trap.</p>
<p>If anyone’s heard of American colleges, they’ll probably know what Harvard, Berkeley, and Stanford are before they hear about UPenn, Chicago, and Columbia.</p>
<p>It’s just that most students are from CA, so they don’t realize how awesome Berkeley is.</p>
<p>^ I absolutely agree with what you said. In fact, I can still remember that when I was a high school senior, the only schools I have heard of are: Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge, Berkeley, and, of course, Stanford, because both my parents went there. I have not really heard of the others aside from the schools I mentioned above. Not even Columbia or UPenn.</p>
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<p>I guess the obvious answer is that EECS was originally the crazily-selective one, and it’ll remain so until more people actually are convinced the other is just as good for them. If I had to pick between the two, I’d probably go with the L&S version, not to switch to a creampuff, but because I hate the COE, and so do all my engineering acquaintances. The COE’s academics are wonderful and all, but the people who run the administrative stuff are very annoying.</p>
<p>Why do people keep asking this??? Who cares what the layman thinks of your university??? It’s employers that matter.</p>
<p>The OP’s question can of course be extended to ask about different employers, etc. Most of us probably don’t care about the layperson’s view of Cal anyway.</p>
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<p>Employers are often times lay people. Only a tiny fraction of all employers have formal hiring practices and professionalized HR departments. The vast majority of employers are small businesses. Let’s face it: if you’re just a couple of guys somewhere trying to launch a tech startup, you have neither the time nor the resources to conduct a formal recruiting search. You’re just going to hire whoever you think is decent, based on limited information. {It also often times means that you end up hiring a bunch of your friends from school - many of the early employees at Google were old Stanford pals of Sergey and Larry.} </p>
<p>The opinion of the laymen may also matter greatly if you want to become a small businessman yourself, especially if you’re selling professional services, for that effectively means that you’re selling yourself. For example, notice how Dr. Dan Kline rather prominently advertises his degrees from Harvard and Yale, even before he lists any of his specific medical qualifications. The reasoning is simple: regular people don’t know how to assess the value of his board certification or his society memberships. But they do recognize the Harvard and Yale brand names. That he leverages those brands is to be a savvy businessman. </p>
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<p>“” If anyone’s heard of American colleges, they’ll probably know what Harvard, Berkeley, and Stanford are before they hear about UPenn, Chicago, and Columbia. “” </p>
<p>I live in Bangladesh and what fellowCCviewer said is very true. Berkeley is pretty famous here. The ivies apart from HYP are relatively unheard of. I never even heard of cornell, brown, upenn or columbia before i started my application process. I was really really really excited when i was admitted at Cal. But after reading all of cal’s flaw and all the bashing it’s been receiving here i’m pretty upset.</p>
<p>I’m now having second thoughts about not applying to more ivies and rejecting them. I seemed to have made a pretty stupid mistake about a crucial decision in life.</p>
<p>I’m from France and Berkley IS very famous by random people not really interested in universities rankings. Only harvard, yale, princeton, stanford AND berkeley are famous in France. Not even the MIT. Now, I’m talking about people “in the street”. If you ask a university professor, of course he’ll know Cornell, MIT etc.</p>
<p>En1gma> Don’t take the Cal bashers here too seriously because some have never went to the school, and some haven’t even got past the weeder stages yet. As with any school that has over 30,000 students, there is bound to be problems and issues; and as some have already pointed out numerous times, your college life is what YOU make it to be, and that is especially true for a school with Cal’s size. Cal’s size brings problems, but it is also precisely it’s strength, as it is precisely because of its size that it is able to bring huge amounts of resources to its students. For example, there are over 30+ libraries here on campus, and our book # ranks 4th in the nation; now think about what it means if you are writing a research paper or thesis - the resources are right at your fingertips. </p>
<p>If you are the type of individual who prefer to be babysitted and catered everything by the faculty or administration, then I am sorry to say, Cal is not the school for you, and maybe the private schools are a better fit.</p>
<p>stressedBear is spot on. Cal can be a very, very isolating place if you don’t know what the heck you’re doing. It really requires a significant chunk of initiative on your part to take advantage of the resources here, which are PLENTY. If you’re an especially bright student, you will get noticed by the professors. The opportunities presented here are endless, it’s really down to how far you want to take it and how willing you are to work hard to achieve your goals.</p>
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<p>I agree wholeheartedly. Those who want to be cuddled wouldn’t really thrive in a place like Berkeley. They should rather attend LACs. But LACs don’t have the resources that Cal has, obviously.</p>
<p>Haha… I might bash Berkeley online… But really, I’m glad that I’m at Berkeley. I honestly wouldn’t want to be anywhere else right now 
{unless I got a full ride… I’d go anywhere for the money xD}</p>
<p>I had to react on reading this. I’m from the L.A. area and everyone I know knows what Berkeley is. Most have heard of Harvard and Yale. A lot of uniformed people have never heard of Princeton or Stanford. Some think that UCLA and USC are the same university.</p>
<p>Maybe mikeerang was talking about average joe who just flew in from Venus, but I have yet to meet someone here who hasn’t heard of Berkeley. </p>
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<p>The average joe does not know what berkeley is
Im from LA and the only universities they know are HYPS and UCLA and USC</p>
<p>Who knows USC except people in LA?</p>
<p>In all seriousness, a degree from Berkeley helps you find a job in somewhere other than LA.
Also, people hear of it sooner or later.
I for one still can’t name all of the ivies.</p>
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<p>Anybody who enjoys college football.</p>
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<p>Well it depends with where you live. Where i live they dont</p>
<p>It’s Compton, what did people expect?</p>