<p>Connect1234, there are probably plenty of students transferring from CC who are very strong. I am not saying otherwise. The SAT scores of those transferring in from CC don’t impact on the averages that Cornell has to report. So some students who will be successful may be given this option so that their scores don’t pull down the scores reported on the Common Data Set by Cornell. I’m saying that CC is not the same experience as Cornell, obviously, unless Cornell has been lying about the experience they offer. So you have a subgroup at Cornell that probably has lower objective scores than those who started at Cornell and that did not benefit from starting college at Cornell but who saved a substantial amount of money. </p>
<p>@connect1234 You should be happy to have us lesser-abled transfer students in your humec classes, helping your curves and whatnot 
I’d rather compete against people who don’t/can’t do well.</p>
<p>@shockastrika83, Ha ha, first I have to get in to one of those precious few HumEc slots … ;)</p>
<p>I love it when the Guaranteed Transfer discussion comes up.</p>
<p>A couple of thoughts – first: Cornell’s motto: </p>
<p>“I would found an institution where any person can find instruction in study.”</p>
<p>This is a very inclusive statement, which leads to the second thought --</p>
<p>The focus of the conversation (almost always) goes to the point that many of the CC transfers have lesser high school statistics than those who were admitted straight out of high school. (Many choose the CC route because of financial necessity, but hopefully we can agree agree that this is a different situation altogether_</p>
<p>Shouldn’t the real question be – Are the CC transfers as a group capable of doing the work required by Cornell so that they can successfully complete their undergraduate education?</p>
<p>I’ve really never seen anyone address this – but if they can do the work, GREAT. If they lacked the discipline to work at this level through high school and obtained it through 2 years of CC GREAT. What we’re getting is students who can now do the work. The fact that they’ve taken an alternate route to Cornell basically adds to the diversity of the university, which is a good thing.</p>
<p>Of course, this may make Cornell less Elite (because it gives this second chance for late bloomers?) but that doesn’t bother me at all.</p>
<p>I guess I go back to Cornell’s motto. If one finds the motto to be troublesome, then maybe Cornell isn’t a good fit.</p>