<p>Aibarr - we have to meet up for drinks sometime. I throw some fantastic parties - and tutor, and research for profs, and write for a journal, and do independent research, and play sports, and run organizations... and... wait, I don't sleep. Eh.</p>
<p>Sounds like a plan, Ariesathena! Next time I'm out in your direction, I'll shoot you a PM. =)</p>
<p>(Sleep is soooo overrated.)</p>
<p>No. Sleep is great... God I miss it. I wonder what it's doing at this very moment...</p>
<p>Yeah my roommate comes in moaning about his courses. ("I have sooo much work to do.") Last semester he did too when I was taking an accelerated orgo course and he was taking regular plus many other harder courses. I mean when you have 3 of your hours as choir you don't have THAT much do to. Tonight he "has a ton to do" because he went to something when he should have been working. I'm behind regardless of whether I do stuff or not. I just woke up. Gotta get a few pamplets read and then a crib sheet made bye.</p>
<p>Well after reading these 7 pages and 124 posts, i still want to go into engineering and i cant imagine myself doing anything else.... :) .....and does anyone know if Michigan State is a good engineering school....cause thats where i am planning on going....either that or San Diego State!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Damn that golub chap was annoying</p>
<p>you have to remember that you are paying money for an education and to get a job… you arent paying all that money to party and get drunk</p>
<p>It depends on the person. My friend got through EE like cakewalk and he’s in a party frat.</p>
<p>Wow, mccormickt12, why did you resurrect a thread that was 4 1/2 YEARS old??</p>
<p>I honestly don´t understand why people say that engineering is so hard. Sure, it requires some work, but a social life killer? No. I know a lot of students who complain about having no time, etc, but most of them simply don´t manage their time properly or don´t study efficiently(facebook, cellphone, browsing, or something else while studying). And many of these people somehow believe that they work hard!!</p>
<p>It also seems as though many people simply want to have it all. Watch movies, Tv-shows, hang out with friends, go to parties, have a girlfriend, relax, play golf-or any other sport, sleep in late, have weekends completely free from schoolwork, receive good grades, and on and on…</p>
<p>Life just doesn´t work that way…</p>
<p>I believe an average student can manage engineering + having a social life without a problem as long as they manage their time properly.</p>
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Sounds like you figured it out for yourself. I’d say most college students DON’T manage their time well. Engineering is not as forgiving as some other majors in this respect.</p>
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<p>I mean, I technically go to one of those “top schools”. But do you think that engineering at the lower ranked schools is easy? People and your rankings…</p>
<p>But really it is as much a “social life” killer as you make it. Yes, it is a hard major, but no, that does not mean you will have no time for anything. Honestly, there is plenty of time to live a life as an engineer in college. I do.</p>
<p>What Golubb_U saying is unfortunately true in the majority (not all) of Engineering fields whether or not one liked how he conveyed it.</p>
<p>Also, most nerds are not that intelligent, they just pretend to be in most cases, that is why they are NERDS!</p>
<p>If you do not have social skills or social graces then you could be the nerdiest person in class and still not end up with a good job. Engineers typically do NOT want to work around socially inept nerds who’s heyday is the college environment.</p>
<p>One thing I never understood about Golubb’s argument was why he thought it was better not to interact with others at work. He seemed to portray working with other people and talking to other people as a punishment.</p>
<p>No that is not it at all. Engineers are ‘in theory’ more creative and like to invent and solve problems. Engineers and Managers are the antithesis of each other so communication problems do tend to arise, especially in a medium to large firms. Most Engineers went that direction because managing really wasn’t what they were interested in. For the past decade firms push Engineers towards being managers which is not what many originally set out to do. Many firms would rather just get some college slob as an intern or lower paid Engineer filling them with false hopes that if he works hard he will make more money and go higher up the chain. The truth is Engineers are essentially threatened to move towards the business side to manage fresh college intern/slave labor. They typically capitulate since they make more money as a manager in the company but their happiness level drops. </p>
<p>Why? Because when you become too smart and experienced you become too expensive to hire. Lets say a Engineer job should ideally pay $100,000. Many US firms can hire the same quality Engineer for 60-70% of that wage from India or China who will take that amount. It has nothing to do with that foreign Engineers are better but that they work for cheaper whether the job is outsourced or not.</p>
<p>A US firm can also hire 2, 3, or 4 inexperienced and ignorant of how the world works fresh college kid and pay them a fraction of what they are worth. They will be so happy they got a job to pay back their student loans that will practically lick the s**t off the bosses shoes just to get a pat on the back.</p>
<p>“One thing I never understood about Golubb’s argument was why he thought it was better not to interact with others at work. He seemed to portray working with other people and talking to other people as a punishment.”</p>
<p>Some highly independent people prefer to work alone, with minimal or no supervision; these type of people are more productive when they find themselves in such an environment. “talking with other people” might be related to talking about non-work issues, something that in 97% of cases I would agree with.</p>
<p>Kmazza, I don’t think you’re right. The more reasonable answer is something you noted yourself; there’s a big problem with managers and technical employees, there always has been. What engineering firms are doing to try and alleviate the problem is helpful. Why waste money on managers who only know how to manage while you can promote a very experienced engineer who can easily learn how to manage (providing that he’s deemed able for the job). It’s not some grand conspiracy, it’s just smart.</p>
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<p>As much are you’re being one right now?</p>
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<p>I killed mine before I studied engineering; I do not like to leave things to chance.</p>
<p>Engineering isn’t just a major or profession, it’s a way of life… that has not very much room for partying.</p>