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<p>Bronxbombers, you are totally wrong! It’s just the opposite. I posted a link on this thread to an article that shows the Asian kid has to score about 140 points HIGHER than the white kid to get picked over the white kid. It’s the white kid who gets the “affirmative action” over the Asian kid. If you had compared the white kid to a Hispanic or black kid with the stats above, I might agree with you.</p>
<p>^ But your achievements aren’t everything in what makes you a person. Every aspect of you and who you are matters, because will all play a part (vital or minor) in who you will be after college.</p>
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<p>No, I don’t think so and I’ve stated in one of my comment in this thread that UCB might not provide the best Undergraduate experience.</p>
<p>I know it is a great university for Post Graduation and it was one of my top choices along with MIT, Caltech and Stanford.</p>
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<p>Again, that is their right to do so. I really hate the ‘pc police’. If people want to be (ignorant) racist, that’s their right, I don’t care. As long as they follow the law in hiring, firing, promoting, etc…I kind of feel bad that they’re so defensive, but that’s their right.</p>
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<p>I think it depends on why one is “turned off” by too many Asians.</p>
<p>If it is because one does not like Asians simply because they are Asian, then yes, it is racist.</p>
<p>If it is because one wants to be exposed to a more racially-diverse environment than is offered (including Asians) then no, it is not racist, rather I would call it racially-aware.</p>
<p>I grew up in a very racially-diverse environment. I attended a college in another state sight-unseen. It turned out to be so white-heavy, that I was taken aback by how similar everyone looked. I didn’t like it that I didn’t stand out anymore (lol). I don’t think my feelings were racist, because I liked white people.</p>
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<p>What are these “inherited racial differences” other than, well, race? To me, this sounds like the basis of separate but equal.</p>
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<p>“What are these “inherited racial differences” other than, well, race? To me, this sounds like the basis of separate but equal.”</p>
<p>I feel like if I wanted to I could prove that Blacks had darker skin than Whites, and that these traits were inherited. I don’t see how any reasonable person could not be a racialist by that definition.</p>
<p>I find it a bit nutty to say that it’s “racist” to want to be in a racially diverse environment. I think that’s kind of a way of saying, “I know you are, but what am I?” But, whatever.</p>
<p>One point of curiosity–this is part of the breakdown from MIT:
Don’t you think this means that MIT is closer to 40% Asian?</p>
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<p>Exactly…the only difference would be the color of skin…why should a “belief” in this difference in skin color affect where one prefers to go to school?</p>
<p>There isn’t anything wrong with being able to prove that some people have darker skin than others. But when you put this belief to use to pick and choose where you want to go to school, how is that any different from racism?</p>
<p>Again, I understand that the person might desire diversity, but he/she isn’t going to get any more diversity than at Berkeley where the plurality (not even the majority) are asians and the rest are of different races.</p>
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<p>Exactly, which is essentialy what I said earlier. (But hey, I’m regularly attacked for my logical assumptions.) There is often very little logic to the way some people throw around the inflammatory term, “racist” – like an arsonist eagerly awaiting to see when it will catch fire and who will be consumed by its random flames.</p>
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<p>That is a matter of opinion. If Berkeley were 49% Asian, with one Black student, one Hispanic and one Native American student, and the rest White, would your statement still be true?</p>
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<p>Wrong. The proportionality (distribution) is quite different at Berkeley, esp. on the undergrad level, than at many privates, which have far more even distributions of representations, much more exposure to people of different origins.</p>
<p>Wait. No, that’s racist to want wide exposure. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>The term racist was supplied by the OP. Not by posters. Perhaps the OP could phrase his/her desires in a way that does not have a racist flavor; then the thread can be serving him/her.</p>
<p>When I said I thought the statement racist, I wasn’t condemning the OP as a racist. W all say and do things that don’t reflect our true positions.</p>
<p>And it’s understandable to want want diversity and to be around different folk than one has always been around.</p>
<p>However, if these desires are expressed solely in terms of racial distinctions, than yes, on its own merits the statement is racist and promote racist feelings, even if the OP is innocent of them.</p>
<p>I can’t follow a “live and let live” attitude about racism. It does perturb me, even my own inadvertent racism, or especially my own.</p>
<p>I thought the OP was eliciting opinions about how this statement registered to garner information, and I thought I was supplying that information. </p>
<p>I did not mean to condemn the OP or deny him/her the desire to be in a diverse environment.</p>
<p>One point of curiosity–this is part of the breakdown from MIT:</p>
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<p>The problem with MIT diversity is not the races, it’s the smarts. ALL the students there are so smart. It’s an incredibly smartist place, and has very little diversity with regards to people who got mediocre or poor grades in high school. Such people are a valuable addition to any classroom or dorm community because they expose others to different ways of not thinking clearly and not grasping things. This better prepares the other students for life after college, where many of the people they work with will not be smart.</p>
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<p>Agreed. </p>
<p>Treating everyone has an individual is a matter of common sense. </p>
<p>Noticing patterns of how groups act/interact may just be a matter of being observant.</p>
<p>LOL schmaltz! hahahaha :-)</p>
<p>Schmaltz, I love your dry humor.</p>
<p>mythmom, </p>
<p>“I don’t want to be around so many whites” =/= “I don’t like whites,” or “All whites think alike.” (Do you feel that way, by the way, that “All whites are same/similar/think alike, are are non-differentiated”? No, I don’t either, nor do aspiring undergrads necessarily think that way. They want variety. What a concept.)</p>
<p>Thus, logically (Heaven help me for my logic which will get flamed):<br>
“I don’t want to be around so many Asians” =/= “I don’t like Asians,” or “All Asians think alike, are the same/similar, are non-differentiated.”</p>
<p>Asians, esp. Asian-Americans who may be “overly” exposed to Asian subsets in their own upbringing, pre-college, have often expressed, on and off CC, a desire to branch out during the college years for wider exposures to people from many continental origins, including but not limited to other Asians.</p>
<p>The same is true for those whites who by self-reporting have grown up around “too many whites,” or conversely are quite used to diversity and therefore find it artificial to attend a college which suddenly finds them thrust in a mostly-white environment. That does not mean that whites actually believe that there is no/little differentiation among other whites.</p>
<p>Give credit to students who have made it past the competitive contest of admissions to elite U’s for some ability to discriminate intellectually. Usually, most of them have done well on the Critical Reasoning portion of the SAT.</p>
<p>What HUMOR? I’m 100% serious. That’s EXACTLY the reasoning many people give for the value of other types of diversity.</p>
<p>To address a question much earlier in this thread, about why so many Asian kids in California go to UCs and don’t look at a broader range of schools, I can share my kids’ observations from their SoCal high school. I am not making broad generalizations here, just sharing what they have seen with their friends at this one school.</p>
<p>“Asians” are the largest ethnic category (using the census categories) at their school, and most of those students are first-generation (i.e. parents born in foreign country, and sometimes they also were born in that country). Most are Korean and Vietnamese, with some from China and some from the Philippines. On average, these families are very strict, and on average, the students comply with their parents’ wishes-- and the vast majority are not allowed to apply anywhere but a UC. That’s one of the reasons they came to California, so their children could get a UC education. </p>
<p>Just one school’s perspective on that question. And this does not for a minute apply to non-immigrant Asians. A third-generation Japanese-American kid, for instance, does not have cultural commonality with a first-generation Korean immigrant kid.</p>
<p>And to echo an earlier poster’s report, we’ve also seen the cultural exclusion-- the mother of one of my older daughter’s best friends only allowed her daughter to come to our house because they lied and said we were Korean. But it doesn’t bother my kids. It’s obviously fear-based-- the mother in question is a Korean-speaking immigrant who is doing the best she can to raise her daughter in a new word that scares her, even if she did choose it. Said daughter obeyed her mother and took intense SAT prep twice a week for three years. Now she’s at a UC, is having the time of her life, and has a non-Asian boyfriend… that her mother doesn’t know about. Someday her kids will have a completely different experience than she did.</p>
<p>BTW, although I’m sure it happens, I’ve never heard a single white kid here in SoCal say they don’t want to go to a particular UC because it’s “too Asian,” but I do hear tons of kids (including mine) who are uncomfortable with how un-diverse the LACs are, because their populations don’t look like the populations they’re used to in high school. They still go to these LACs, but wish they were more diverse.</p>