<p>From what I gather , of the sporadic information on this site.......ivies require the ' hardest classes....which is apparently , science . So suppose someone`s applying for an Undergrad degree in Sociology , or English Literature , do they STILL require Science ? An d yeah , I think Science being the hardest subject is all hogwash .</p>
<p>This is so not true !
You just list the courses and apply. This will not harm you. Adcoms know all about the Indian Education system.</p>
<p>Hello Mrinal how are you doing. All geared up for Sandy. Stay safe.</p>
<p>And christmasbazaar</p>
<p>I found this interesting write up on hidden Ivies. Since you are exploring a college degree with Arts subjects, it is worth exploring these options as well.</p>
<p>Hidden Ivies - Source Wiki</p>
<p>""In this book, the authors using the same criteria, often used to evaluate Ivy League schools, discuss thirty American schools that are small in size and are either liberal arts colleges or universities that emulate them. Hidden Ivies, the second edition of the guide published in 2009, evaluates fifty “renowned academic institutions.”</p>
<p>Hidden Ivies discusses the college admissions process and attempts to evaluate 50 colleges in comparison to Ivy League colleges. The schools are examined based on academics, admissions process, financial aid, and student experiences. The book argues the importance of a liberal arts education .</p>
<p>Northeast</p>
<p>Amherst College
Barnard College
Bates College
Boston College
Bowdoin College
Bryn Mawr College
Bucknell University
Colby College
Colgate University
Hamilton College
Haverford College
Lafayette College
Lehigh University
Middlebury College
Mount Holyoke College
Smith College
Swarthmore College
Trinity College
Tufts University
University of Rochester
Vassar College
Wellesley College
Wesleyan University
Williams College</p>
<p>South</p>
<p>Davidson College
Duke University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Rice University
Tulane University
University of Richmond
Vanderbilt University
Wake Forest University
Washington and Lee University</p>
<p>West</p>
<p>Claremont McKenna College
Colorado College
Pomona College
Reed College
Stanford University
University of Southern California</p>
<p>Also, check out this list as well. National Liberal Arts College Rankings</p>
<p><a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges#[/url]”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges#</a></p>
<p>wait, science has the hardest course load?
yes and no :3</p>
<p>i know few people who got into Harvard and had humanities. :)</p>
<p>“An d yeah , I think Science being the hardest subject is all hogwash.”</p>
<p>Well, you’re in the minority then. I have personally seen the syllabus and sort of books they use to teach non-Science/Math stream classes in CBSE, and I would say that they are subpar to the American curriculum, as I know it. We covered most of the topics in the CBSE Geography course in Grade 7. I find that taking AP Economics courses gives you far more depth than CBSE economics, which is VERY abridged, and distanced from the practical side of things. I won’t even comment on the Entrepreneurship course. The rest of the world says you can’t teach entrepreneurship; apparently, India disagrees. History and languages are both lacking in many respects. But I will give a thumbs up to the Accounting course. I wish we had something like that in the standard US curriculum. Now, with most of the science and math courses, I get the opposite of this image. The Indian curriculum there has much more depth AND breadth. So, comparing the two curricula with regard to the US curriculum, you do arrive at the conclusion that the science stream has a much more rigorous workload.</p>
<p>You CAN apply to the States having done the humanities. There is nothing to stop you from applying. The question is whether you’ll get IN to the Ivies with a humanities courseload. In a pool where about 1-2% of the people end up getting in, do YOU think it would be advantageous to have a humanities courseload or a science/math courseload? I’d rather have ALL the weapons I could get, rather than trying to argue with the system, because ultimately, it will be the system that grants you acceptance or rejection. Remember, you’re not entitled to anything, even if you DO have a science courseload.</p>
<p>There’s not a fraction of truth in that argument. I know numerous humanities students who are at ivies today. Nevertheless, you should know why you took humanities - it’s alright as long as it’s something you’re truly interested in doing.</p>
<p>^Yes, I’m not surprised you know numerous humanities students at the Ivies. After all, the Ivies are predominantly schools for the humanities, and therefore, their humanities departments have lots of people.</p>
<p>But do you know “numerous” (and I don’t even know what you mean by that term) people in the Ivies who are full Indian citizens (not dual), who went to a high school with an Indian curriculum, and are studying for their undergraduate BA degree?</p>
<p>@christmasbazaar
And besides, if you read the news, you’ll read all about how even American students in the humanities at Ivy League institutions can’t find jobs right now. What makes you think that it is a good idea to go knocking at the Ivies for entry to a humanities program right now? Believe you me, the economy isn’t going to get all hunky-dory in the next four years. If you have the option, I’d advise you to steer clear of the humanities right now, or at the very least, to study management/economics somewhere in India, where demand for those types of things is much better.</p>
<p>Forgive me , but you really are a HUGE grouch .</p>
<p>Not all kids form India apply with heavy math-science backgrounds. You do need to meet the minimum high school academic prep requirements and adcoms will know how education is offered in various countries. If your reasons for wanting a humanities major are well thought out and your prep is solid, you will be fairly reviewed. Depending on your achievements and personal strengths- and future goals- you may even be a pleasant change from the usual STEM kids. Good luck.</p>
<p>@christmasbazaar And what would it take for me to NOT be a huge grouch eh? Would you be happy if I told you that yes, you stand a great shot at all of those colleges and at least one of them is bound to accept you? I’m sorry, buddy, but that’s not the case, and it’s not my fault that that’s not the case. In fact, I’d love it if the Ivies accepted more Indians, because, let me tell you, we certainly deserve more seats there than they are giving us right now, just from an academic standpoint. And the fact that we totally swamp their graduate programs just goes to illustrate that fact even more. You should go onto US News college rankings and look up the admissions statistics. You’ll find numbers like 5% for Harvard and 7 for Princeton. And those are OVERALL statistics. Everyone knows that they admit Americans at slightly above that overall figure, and internationals far below that overall figure. So, you’re looking at admissions rates of 1-3% at the schools you are talking about. If a 100 people apply, 1-3 are getting in; 97-99 are disappointed. That’s the reality of it, and YOU have to decide whether you want to step into that applicant pool with credentials that a significant number of people say are less rigorous than other credentials. You may have heard how US schools look into applicants’ background and try to assess your opportunities. Believe me when I say that for Ivies, with international students, this is a myth, unless it’s something VERY VERY significant (for example, coming from ABJECT poverty). For the rest of us, you either have what they are looking for or you don’t, and I find the lack of awareness of that on this forum deeply disturbing. You can think of me as a grouch, but keep what I say in mind. I’m not doing this to spite you, and spiting you does not bring me any benefit at all. When I was in your position, I was hoping that someone with prior personal experience in college applications to the Ivies would frequent this thread. None did that were willing to talk about their experiences frankly. As for me, last year, I applied to Princeton, Cornell, Caltech, MIT, and Stanford with a 2380 SAT, perfect 800s on my SAT subject tests, quirky essays (which you can read, if you want, on EssayForum; just type in ‘Eggcellent EssayForum’ on Google) a full 4.0 unweighted GPA, 5s on 8 APs, and all the major non-athletic ECs my school and environment had to offer. I was rejected from all 5.</p>
<p>Here’s my final bit of advice. To know how you stand at these types of schools, do not look at who got in. Look at who did NOT get in.</p>
<p>FINE , I<code>m sorry I undermined and disregarded your experience and everything . But those are some astonishingly impressive statistics . I really cant imagine why you didn</code>t get in . I suppose it IS like a lucky draw .</p>
<p>“numerous” (and I don’t even know what you mean by that term) people in the Ivies who are full Indian citizens (not dual), who went to a high school with an Indian curriculum, and are studying for their undergraduate BA degree?</p>
<p>Yes. I am well aware of the high school system in India, having studied there myself.</p>
<p>^^Also, don’t let that stop you from applying. You have NO chance of admission if you do not apply.</p>
<p>absolutely not!
2 of the 5 Indian students(yes fullblown Indian citizens) who headed to harvard this year were icse humanities kids.</p>