pardon the question…if it has been asked before…I tried looking for it couldn’t find a thread.
has anyone called admissions to find out admissions results?
the undergraduate admissions website states all early actions decisions will be notified on or before jan. 31. I know classmates of my dd have heard already. this is her #1 choice , if she doesn’t get in then we can leave the ED to another school as is. TIA
I am confused if your DD applied ED or EA. Regardless, I would not call admissions until several days after Jan 31, if no decision has been made. Then it should be your DD calling, not a parent.
Also per your other thread, if DD wants to change app from ED(?) to RD, she should do that ASAP.
@Mwfan1921 thanks.
@Mwfan1921 she applied EA to her #1 choice… and ED to her second choice. we were hoping to hear from EA school already and then change ED to RD…our school counselor told us we could do this… my concern now is we have not heard back from EA school…the latest we would hear is 1.31 and the admission announcement for ED school is 2/1.
That is tight timing. Did you/DD speak with GC about this likely scenario (knowing the notification dates)? What was the plan if DD heard from the ED school before the EA school?
Regardless, it still seems like you should hear about EA ahead of the ED decision. Then have DD call the ED school—if she is accepted to EA school she should probably just withdraw her app, why keep the ED school app open in the RD round?
This is something our GC would handle. Is that an option for you? If not, I agree to wait and to have her change it the second she hears back.
@PetraMC are you suggesting she NOT accept the ED acceptance of offered, and wait for the EA one?
If this is a binding ED school, she should move to the application to RD if it isn’t her first choice.
@thumper1 Unless I’m misreading, she wants to go to her EA school and is hoping to get in (in january) before she hears back from #2 choice (Feb 1). I just think that’s pretty tight timing and maybe the GC can pull an answer out of EA school before the deadline.
You do know that if this scheme backfires and she receives the ED admission first, then she has already committed to attend the ED school and withdraw all other applications.
@ClassicRockerDad yes ED school does not notify before 2/1. EA school has notified EA applicants of the decision but DD applied on a later date vs when the portal opened.
both schools are very good schools. she wanted to show commitment and raise her changes in getting in to either school.
folks here are very judgmental. pointing fingers as if this is illegal.
From the National Association for College Admission Counseling Statement of Principles of Good Practice:
“Early Decision (ED) is the application process in which students make a commitment to a first choice institution where, if admitted, they definitely will enroll."
Legal or not, what you and your daughter are doing is unethical.
It seems as like she’ll hear from her EA school in time to withdrawl her ED app, but maybe not in time to switch to RD. It seems waiting till the day results come out would be too late for that kind of switch. I also doubt the EA school tell your D’s result early, especially not for the true reason.
Looking at it from the eyes of the ED/RD school. Without knowing the institution in question if they are releasing on 2/1 then they will have already decided one way or the other. I do believe most schools look at the application with the pathway in mind. All the EDs are evaluated against each other and all the RDs are evaluated against each other. So, if I were the school and you called me on 1/31 to change from ED to RD, The easiest thing for me to do is to reject the application, and I may do that. I’m not saying what you are doing is illegal or unethical, but it might (someone may have to comment on how likely) burn that bridge. If you are ok with that and your DD will definitely go to the EA school if accepted, then I’d wait. Additionally, you are letting them know that they are not your priority anymore, which if it doesn’t reject outright, won’t help you if the RD round is significantly tougher to get into.
Now, if others have heard from this school and you don’t want to burn that bridge, then a call from your daughter might be ok. AOs know and understand that this is a stressful time for kids (parents should know better). Just curious, have the kids who have heard all been accepted or is there a combination of results? If it is just accepts, then I’d expect that some select kids were accepted early to prevent them from doing what you want to do. So in a way, they are gaming the system too.
@momofsenior1 thank you for the information. I didn’t realize it was unethical. GC should have told us it is unethical and ED school should not have GIVEN us the option to change our mind without a CUT OFF DATE.
we will leave it as it… and let the chips fall where they fall. we sleep over nothing… EA may say NO and ED may say NO, as well.
Can you please provide the link to the National Association for College Admission Counseling Statement of Principles of Good Practice:
“Early Decision (ED) is the application process in which students make a commitment to a first choice institution where, if admitted, they definitely will enroll."
@BrianBoiler we know the EA acceptance kids from our area was mixed … and those applicants submitted a month earlier than DD.
I’m not pointing fingers. If your GC said that it would be a good strategy, why wouldn’t you take his/her advice? We aren’t all admissions experts. That’s partially why I think your GC should be the one making the call.
I’m also not a fan of the concept of ED in general, but that’s a different issue.
As the notification dates stand, it seems like OP’s DD WILL enroll if accepted by the ED school, even though it was her second choice…because the only way the ED app will still be in the system is if EA school rejects DD, and the EA decision is due before the ED one. (and of course the colleges might not adhere to their published notification dates, but following publicly available information is better than guessing, or letting some unknown and unquantifiable risk impact one’s application strategy.) With all that said, if the ED acceptance comes before the EA acceptance, then OP’s DD will have to attend her second choice school.
It is not unethical to apply ED to your second choice school, it’s unethical to reject that acceptance for any reason other than a true shortfall in financial aid. As long as colleges have different types of admission offerings, operate a non-transparent process, and obfuscate (or don’t even divulge) the ‘real’ (non-hooked) acceptance rates in EDI and EDII, this is the behavior that happens as students (and their families and GCs) who have limited control over the process try to deal with the systems that are in place. I assume OP is really talking EDII, and at some schools that round has the lowest admit of all per some AOs in info sessions…but people don’t know that because schools won’t publish that data, so OP is probably overestimating the bump in acceptance rate too.
IMO let’s focus on the instances where there are true ethical lapses, like REA/private ED, SCEA/private ED and double ED apps–this behavior happens more often than some might think, sometimes approved by GCs. In my D’s competitive, nationally ranked HS, a kid applied to a private ED school and Georgetown EA. Not sure if that was approved by the GC or not, either way I think the GC should be sanctioned by NACAC.
https://www.nacacnet.org/advocacy–ethics/NACAC-Code-of-Ethics/
It’s a long document. Many colleges have the sentence I cut and pasted on their own admissions sites under early decision.
You are right that your GC should have made you aware of this and I’m frankly surprised that they signed off. Ultimately though the language about binding decision is also in the ED agreement that you and one parent signed on the common app.
I don’t think the ED school is at fault at all. Students are able to change and withdraw applications at any point in the process.
Are you sure ED school won’t ocme out before 2/1? My D19 applied ED1 and the decisions came out a couple of days before the original scheduled date, and I’ve heard of other ED announcements coming out a little earlier than originally planned too. The timing may be even tighter than you think.