<p>just curious, what is listed as the 25-75% for ACT? that’s the number that was mentioned…that they “average a 31”; which actually seems quite high to me for Lehigh</p>
<p>The Lehigh website reports a middle 50% range of 29 to 32 for the ACT composite. It also gives a range of 1270 – 1450 for the SAT I for the Class of 2014. That’s a HUGE jump from the 1170 – 1380 range reported for the Class of 2013. I’m not saying that is impossible but you rarely see that sort of variance from one year to another. Interesting!</p>
<p>WRONG.</p>
<p>What you quoted for the class of 2013 is for the ENROLLED students. What you quoted for the class of 2014 is for the ADMITTED students. Huge difference - not an apples to apple comparison at all. The admitted students stats are ALMOST ALWAYS more competitive than the enrolled stats. By how much? It depends on the desirability, prestige, and the financial aid policy of the school.</p>
<p>The Enrolled students statistics is what matters, and that’s why the common data set and all the college admissions web sites use the “ENROLLED” stats not “admitted” stats. However, many schools put their “admitted” stats on the web since it makes their school look more prestigious.</p>
<p>Given that top students among the admitted students are more likely to bail since they are likely to have more options, the actual middle 50% of the “ENROLLED” students tend to be much lower. Note that the yield (the % of the admitted students who actually enroll) for Lehigh is about 30± %, meaning close to 70% of the admitted students decided to go somewhere else. You can imagine what kind of students are more likely to bail out - the students at the top range with more options. (by the way, the yield of 30% is not an outstanding number for a top 50 schools, but it’s not dismal either. So, I don’t consider this to be a major issue that should be part of my son’s consideration).</p>
<p>I checked Bucknell also since it’s one of my son’s ED possibilities (geographically sort of close by, smallish private school with a good academic reputation, etc). Bucknell is one of the few schools that actually publish the stats for admitted vs. enrolled students. Here is the actual data for the class of 2013: Admitted students: CR 630-710. M 660-740. For Enrolled: 600-680. M 630-720. So, for admitted: CR+M 1290-1450. For enrolled: CR+M 1230-1400. You can see the 50-60 points shift in both the bottom 25% and top 25%. </p>
<p>Bucknell’s yield (40±%) is much higher than Lehigh, which means, in all likelihood, there is even greater difference between the admitted vs. enrolled for Lehigh than there is for Bucknell.</p>
<p>By the way, Lehigh’s class of 2013 middle 50% was CR: 590-630. M 630-710. Even if we add the two, the CR+M middle 50% is 1220-1340 (not 1380 for the top 25% as you quoted). By the way, the actual composite CR+M distribution is actually smaller (meaning less spread) than simply adding middle 50% numbers from CR and M. The reason? The correlation between the CR and M scores is not 100%. My guess is, in reality, if you look at ACTUAL distribution for REAL CR+M composite score, the top 25% range is lower than 1340. More likely 1320 or 1330.</p>
<p>This is the last post I will make on the Lehigh thread. My intention was NOT to bash Lehigh. I was genuinely interested in whether there is a very viable explanation for the recent trend I spotted, and whether this should be a factor. Lehigh has both positives and negatives. What I was concerned about here is just one factor that will go into my son’s decision. </p>
<p>I mean no disrespect for the current students, their parents, and alumni of Lehigh.</p>
<p>RIGHT!</p>
<p>I checked again and see that although Lehigh states that the page in question is a “Profile of the Class of 2014” it does state that the SAT/ACT range is for “Admitted” students.</p>
<p>Hey! I can be wrong. I’m man enough to admit it. You don’t need to yell.</p>
<p>I guess we’ll have to wait until the Fall 2010 CDS is made available what the stats for enrolled students actually was. I suspect they will be closer to what was reported in 2008than what was reported in 2009 but it won’t shock me if it isn’t. </p>
<p>BTW, do you believe that 93% of the Class of 2013 was in the top 10% of their high school class? (Hint: 33% of enrolled students submitted class rank)</p>
<p>ROTCherewego, I don’t think anyone thought you were bashing Lehigh. (I didn’t, anyway.) I think we’re all trying to figure out along with you why the stats are as they are. </p>
<p>There’s nothing wrong with a little heated discussion, as long as people remain civil.</p>
<p>Momwaitingfornew – I think you have interpreted the conversation correctly. Perhaps that is why you are a moderator?</p>
<p>ROTC, I certainly didn’t want to imply that you were bashing Lehigh. I simply wanted to offer a different analysis of the data you presented. If you read the link provided by StitchInTime regarding the lucky '13s you will notice that for the class of 2013 Lehigh admitted almost 50% of the class from ED in anticipation that, because of the economic downturn, they wouldn’t reach their target number of enrolled students. They guessed wrong and actually had more enrolled students than they intended. They may have jumped the gun with ED that year and admitted students with somewhat lower scores. So on and so forth with explanations for the other data.</p>
<p>Hey, who knows. The POINT I am trying to make is that, in my opinion, I really don’t think the data you are considering, given the very short time frame that it covers, should be of concern and certainly doesn’t qualify as a trend. You can drive yourself crazy trying to figure it out. You and your son should explore Lehigh for all of the other reasons presented on this thread. </p>
<p>BTW. I do not work for Lehigh in any capacity whatsover. My child, however, is also strongly considering Lehigh. I am usually just a lurker on this site but I felt compelled to address your post with my first.</p>
<p>Surprised that it has not been posted yet</p>
<p>Lehigh University SAT 25/75 for Admitted Students</p>
<p>Critical Reading
Class of 2013 - 610/710
Class of 2014 - 610/710</p>
<p>Math
Class of 2013 - 650/740
Class of 2014 - 660/750</p>
<p>Does anyone spot a downtrend in SAT scores of admitted students from 2013 to 2014 here?</p>
<p>NO?</p>
<p>Didn’t think so</p>
<p>Number of Applications
Fall 1998-2010 Median = 9,847
Fall 2010 = 10,328</p>
<p>Admit Percentage
Fall 1998-2010 Median= 40%
Fall 2010 = 38%</p>
<p>Yield Percentage
Fall 1998-2010 Median= 29%
Fall 2010 = 31%</p>
<p>Usually in Top 20 of USNWR Liberal Arts Rankings and with similar students as Lehigh</p>
<p><a href=“Offices, Centers, & Institutes | Colgate University”>Offices, Centers, & Institutes | Colgate University;
<p>Number of applications
Fall 2008 - 9,415
Fall 2010 - 7,871 (down 16% from Fall 2008)</p>
<p>Admit Percentage
Fall 2008 - 24%
Fall 2010 - 33%</p>
<p>Have you seen this trend at another university that starts with an “L”?</p>
<p>Portfolio has posted some numbers. Here are some from the CDS’s of 2006, 07, 08, and 09.</p>
<p>Lehigh University SAT 25/75 for Enrolled Students
Critical Reading
2006 580/670
2007 600/680
2008 590/680
2009 590/630</p>
<p>Math
2006 640/720
2007 640/710
2008 640/720
2009 630/710</p>
<p>Year / Applications / Admit percentage / Yield
2006 10689 39% 29%
2007 12155 32% 30%
2008 12941 28% 33%
2009 11170 33% 33%
2010 10328 38% 32%
Average number of applications 2006-2009 = 11739
2010 shows a 12% drop from this average. The more recent numbers reflect the US population bulge.</p>
<p>Lehigh University SAT 25/75 for Enrolled Students</p>
<p>Critical Reading
2000 569/662
2001 590/660
2002 580/660
2003 590/670
2004 600/670
2005 600/680
2006 580/670
2007 600/680
2008 590/680
2009 590/630
median = 590/670</p>
<p>Math
2000 614/703
2001 620/710
2002 630/710
2003 630/710
2004 640/710
2005 640/720
2006 640/720
2007 640/710
2008 640/720
2009 630/710
median = 635/710</p>
<p>=========================================</p>
<p>Year / Applications / Admit percentage / Yield
1998 8384 52% 26%
1999 8853 48% 25%
2000 9248 46% 27%
2001 8088 47% 29%
2002 8254 44% 31%
2003 9087 40% 31%
2004 9847 38% 28%
2005 10501 41% 28%
2006 10689 39% 29%
2007 12155 32% 30%
2008 12941 28% 33%
2009 11170 33% 33%
2010 10328 38% 31%
median = 9847 40% 29%</p>
<p>Take a look at the percent engineering school students for the entering class of 2009. It was the highest percent since 1998:</p>
<p>Lehigh Engineering School Entering Class Percentage of Students</p>
<p>[Lehigh</a> University Fall Profile](<a href=“http://www.lehigh.edu/~oir/profiles/profile.htm]Lehigh”>http://www.lehigh.edu/~oir/profiles/profile.htm)</p>
<p>1998 36.98%
1999 34.32
2000 33.13
2001 34.53
2002 32.26
2003 31.20
2004 31.37
2005 30.42
2006 34.26
2007 32.25
2008 32.20
2009 35.04
2010 39.03</p>
<p>I am an aid seeking international considering Lehigh for ED I. Can u give stats for Internationals as well… </p>
<p>am very afraid coz my practice test scores in CR range between 540-580 (which is lower than mid 50% range) and Maths score range between 740-800(which is quite hisgher)…My real SAT score will b available on Oct 28…
Do I stand a chance, if my class rank is 9/800 in my high school???</p>
<p>guess I’m not getting an answer to my question anytime soon…that’s ok…</p>
<p>just thought it was odd that the admissions rep at the “road show” stated that they “averaged a 31 on the ACT for admittance”…thought that was a bit on the high side…</p>
<p>Rodney: you have to look at Lehigh’s 2009 Common Data Set, found here:</p>
<p>[Common</a> Data Set](<a href=“http://www.lehigh.edu/~oir/cds.htm]Common”>http://www.lehigh.edu/~oir/cds.htm)</p>
<p>I couldn’t get more than one page to work via HTML, so I downloaded in Excel. Lehigh does not list ACT scores, probably because there are too few of them to be statistically meaningful. </p>
<p>Not having looked at the CDS before, I found several things interesting:</p>
<p>The “most important” admissions factors were rigor of high school record and recommendations. Next, the “important” factors were standardized scores, application essay, extracurricular activities, talent/ability, character/personal qualities, volunteer work, and level of applicant’s interest. “Considered” factors were class rank, GPA (this was a surprise, down this low), first-generation applicant, alumni/ae relation, geographical residence, racial/ethnic status, and work experience. Not considered were interview (although note that level of interest is important, so the content of an interview might not count, but the fact you had one may), state residency (meaning, in PA), and religious affiliation. </p>
<p>So . . . your course load and what your recommenders think of you are more important than SAT scores. In fact, your SAT scores are on the same level as extracurricular activities, demonstrated interest, and your essay. Although GPA is even less important than that, I suspect that your grades are important in context of rigor, but that the raw GPA, weighted or not, is not important; getting a high GPA through easy courses won’t fly.</p>
<p>For Trinitian: SAT scores in the middle 50% range from CR 590 to 630, and math from 630-710. Of entered freshman, a third have math scores over 700, probably because of the strength of the engineering school. But also a quarter of freshman have CR scores in the 500-599 range, where you fall. These are not international number but freshman class numbers. The reason that CR is so low is again because of the engineering school. I know of several past and current students who scored 800 on the math section and in the low 500s for verbal – they applied to the engineering school. </p>
<p>Lehigh has two semester of mandatory English/writing for freshmen who don’t score high on the CR/AP English tests. Non-native speakers are placed in ESL (English as a Second Language) classes to help them adjust to the rigors of Lehigh. The real question is how you stack up against other internationals who need aid. Lehigh’s resources are limited, so admissions must make tough decisions how to allocate FA aid for internationals. (The CDS lists 62 enrolled “nonresident aliens” or international students in a 2009 freshman class of approximately 1200.)</p>
<p>Yikes. My head is spinning.</p>
<p>@ Rodney: the CDC says that 90% of applicants use the SAT, so an “average” ACT of 31 is taken from a small sample.</p>
<p>Lehigh Class of 2014 25/75 ACT of Admitted students</p>
<p>29-32</p>
<p><a href=“http://www4.lehigh.edu/Media/Website%20Resources/pdf/admissions/LUadmissions_class_summary.pdf[/url]”>http://www4.lehigh.edu/Media/Website%20Resources/pdf/admissions/LUadmissions_class_summary.pdf</a></p>
<p>Momwaitingfornew</p>
<p>Thanx for the info…:)</p>
<p>I hope to stand high among other internationals and enter Lehigh…</p>
<p>portfolio: thanks…</p>