<p>I don't think Novi was necessarily referring to those schools. I personally don't think there is a difference between schools ranked between #6 and #30.</p>
<p>Correct Alexandre. Actually those five schools that were mentioned were not even the ones I was thinking of.</p>
<p>Uh Alexandre. UMich beat UCLA, who was at the time ranked #2 in the nation.</p>
<p>Weakness? How about how self-segregated the place is? As someone bred in diversity in an East Coast city....the "diversity" of Michigan is simply that we have people from all over Michigan, but most of them will form cliques and only hang with those cliques. If you're OOS and don't find you're niche freshman year...then it's pretty much a done deal. As someone who always dreamed of going here I'm beginning to wonder if the academics are worth it....I might follow a lot of the people I met here last year and transfer. The problem is how do you tell your parents and friends that you're going to leave U of M to go to a school with a worse reputation? Needless, to say this city kid is NOT enjoying college (Hmmmm.....maybe if I was a rich kid and joined one of those fraternities or sororities with people in them who only hang out with each other). </p>
<p>I'm sorry, but I just had to convince 3 friends and family members to not come here next year....one of whom I believe already got in and is now going to G-Town instead. People are so far from down to the earth and the ones who are....no offense....they're nerdy and kind of boring.</p>
<p>College is what you make of it. And you did not do your friends any favors. Georgetown is far more segregated than Michigan. I should know, half my family attended (and are attending) the school. Talk about "cliquish". </p>
<p>That is not to say that Michigan does a great job in mixing diversity. Schools like Brown, Cal, Columbia, NYU, Stanford and Yale do a much better job. But most schools have trouble mixing diversity.</p>
<p>This thread is about Michigan's weakness, and I must agree that this is one of ther ways where Michigan can REALLY improve.</p>
<p>Non-Chalant1, I read your message which said you convince a few friends and a family member not to attend the school. Can you tell me exactly the reasons ( I'll be a senior next year) and life/ social life at University of Michigan- Ann Arbor?
Do you regret attending University of Michigan- Ann Arbor, and prefer Michigan State University?</p>
<p>Coolbreeze people at State are much more chill than the people at Michigan....I'm from out of state so I hold no biases. They just seemed more chill overall (more attractive too LOL....not that it should ever be a factor).</p>
<p>More attractive too at State Non-Chanlant1? Could that type of thinking be one of the reasons that you're not fitting in as well as you expected? I'm sorry you're unhappy but there are over 40,000 people on the campus, with over 30% from OOS. If you're not feeling welcomed, sometimes we have to look deeper at ourselves as to why there might be a problem. Simply put, you might not be trying hard enough in your attempts at social interaction.</p>
<p>rfk I don't know you and you don't know me. Don't tell me what I have and have not attempted to do. I have never had trouble making friends in my life and when I visit my friends at their campuses I don't have trouble making friends there. The MSU thing was a joke and something UofM in state kids told me before I had ever been there. Stop being so defensive...my opinion is not that unpopular. I have friends from islands and both coast who share the same sentiment and people who AREN'T my friends that share the same sentiment. I don't care if there are 40,000 people on campus you don't get to meet them all and regardless....I've attempted to join and have joined organizations and I've met people who I can be cool with in certain settings, but we will not be BFF or anything close to that. I never said I didn't like anyone here...if that was the case I would have left...I like some people here and a lot of them aren't exactly like me either. 30% OOS students okay....now break down how much of those people are not from affluent areas....I would love to see you do that....unless they are from Ohio. I'm from New England....and I don't like have the New England people here because they're stuck up...what's your point? Michigan does not have a great blend of people...everyone I've heard say that they feel it's this way has gone to predominately white schools their entire lives. I appreciate the academics most of the time, but that's where it ends....having Michigan on the resume and certain professors is all the school has given me. </p>
<p>To be fair I've seen this at Georgetown (where I almost transferred to) and George Washington as well. I'm beginning to wonder if it's a top school thing.</p>
<p>Best of luck to you Non-Chalant1. I hope you can find happiness in college wherever you might end up.</p>
<p>Non-Chalant, it is not characteristic of all top universities. Some top universities, like Brown and Columbia, do a great job of mixing diversity. However, most top universities are like Michigan. They are diverse...but not integrated.</p>
<p>Alexandre, what do you know about Michigan's undergrad public policy program?</p>
<p>Like the business program, admission is for upperclassmen (not freshman enrollment).</p>
<p>inspirdbyacause, I actually know very little about the Public Policy program. I know it is new, I know it is good and I know it is small. I am not sure about the particulars however.</p>
<p>I have a question for people knowledgeable about UMich: everything I've read seems to say that UMich is great diversity-wise, but how diverse can it be when only 30 some percent of its students are from out of state? I mean, I guess this is decent diversity for a public school, but still, how do you tout diversity as one of your strengths when you have so many in-state kids?</p>
<p>spazzity, most universities are regional. Yes, 65% of Michigan undergrads come from the state of Michigan and another 10% come from other midwestern states. But 20% come from other parts of the country and 5% are international. That's just the undergrads. Graduate students are far more diverse. But backk to the main point. Even private universities are generally regional. More than 50% of undergrads at most undergraduate institutions come from their very own region (East Coast, West Coast, Midwest or South). More than 50% of Harvard undergrads come from the Northeast. More than 50% of Cornell comes from the tri-state area and more than 50% of Stanford comes from the West coast etc...</p>
<p>Hows michigan's undergrad Psychology program?</p>
<p>Michigan's Pshychology department is #2 in the nation. However, like at most universities, it is a very popular major, which means that classes will tend to be large. If you learn better in a smaller setting, check out LACs with fewer than 2000 undergrads. Schools with more than 5,000 undergrads will have more than 100 students in most of their classes.</p>
<p>My D is majoring in psychology. She's a freshman, so she has only taken the intro course. It was a large lecture hall, but she absolutely loved it and the professor. However, the way you get around the bigness of the psych program at U Mich is to be involved in UROP (Undergraduate Research Opportunity Program), which is absolutely amazing!</p>
<p>My D was accepted into a research group that she loves. She's involved in designing an experiment and doing the actual research in a subject she finds very interesting. I think usually the research groups are not so large and students get a chance to really interact with the professors involved on the projects.</p>
<p>Another thing that really attracted her to the Psychology program at U Mich was the ability to specialize in different areas, such as organizational or biological psychology among others. Once she gets past the intros, she'll be in smaller classes with more focused coursework.</p>
<p>My D also found another way around the big freshman classes and to have most of her classes centered around her interest in psychology...the Residential College. Her freshman writing seminar, humanities class and literature course all were focused on psychology related subjects. The bonus was that all of her RC classes had 10 to 15 students in them. (Double bonus...RC classes are held in the dorm you live in.)</p>
<p>So don't let the size and popularity of the psychology program deter you...it just gives you more opportunty to customize the program to fit your interests.</p>
<p>But on the negative side, while my D is VERY happy academically...she's not as happy with being so far from home, the cold weather and just the overall largeness of U Mich. It does get overwhelming for her, so I don't know how much of it is just normal freshman adjustment.</p>
<p>Couldn't find a thread to ask the question:</p>
<p>Recently inform that Michigan State University will be moving their medical school headquaters to Grand Rapids. As a resident of the city of Lansing, in lack of a top university head quater medical school. What would you say the chances are, University of Michigan- Ann Arbor moving their medical school headquaters to Lansing?</p>