Is Obama a socialist? What's your stance on health care reform?

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<p>Jesus ok Puggly: “People deserve what they have worked for in life.”</p>

<p>Roman: “Yes, because EVERYONE gets what they deserve. Please”</p>

<p>Roman: “What about the people that worked their whole lives in the auto industry…”</p>

<p>Me: “contradiction”</p>

<p>Roman: tfeduardo you’re a dumb hillbilly conservative that cannot formulate coherent thoughts…go shoot your beebee gun in the woods</p>

<p>Me: List expounding upon my statement = PWNAGE <em>roman crawls into corner</em></p>

<p>ok now some of that was poking fun but that’s how i see it</p>

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<p>Bwahahaha crawling? I will admit, that was a funny mental image. </p>

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<p>Quote one: Sarcasm
Quote two: Being serious</p>

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<p>You: Not getting the sarcasm</p>

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<p>Me saying nothing of the sort. </p>

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<p>You making a rambling list that pretty much agrees with me.</p>

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<p>So you think that the idea that “***** happens” supports the idea that people get what they deserve in life? Really?</p>

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<p>My take:
your sarcasm paraphrased means “not everone gets what they deserve”</p>

<p>then you say in your serious tone “what about the poor innocent people who’ve worked all their lives and get nothing?”</p>

<p>direct contradiction? am i right or am i right?</p>

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<p>Jesus ok Puggly: “People deserve what they have worked for in life.”</p>

<p>Roman: “Yes, because EVERYONE gets what they deserve. Please”
Translation: People don’t always get what they deserve, contrary to what Puggly says.</p>

<p>Roman: “What about the people that worked their whole lives in the auto industry…”
Examples of people who don’t get what they deserve, to support her above statement.</p>

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<p>^^^ No, not a contradiction at all. Not everyone gets what they deserve. My example is people who have worked their whole lives and get nothing. It makes PERFECT sense. :shakes head:</p>

<p>And HL agreed with me, not with you.</p>

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<p>Wait ***? What’s your definition of contradiction?</p>

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<p>^ TCBH, I’m thinking we took the bait from a ■■■■■.</p>

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<p>Romney/paul '12 ftw!!!</p>

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<p>^ I’ll take that as a yes, we did.</p>

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<p>What I find most interesting is that tfeduardo specifically pointed out the sarcasm, then failed to understand it. Hm. Whatever.</p>

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<p>Whoa, where’d the mob come from…</p>

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<p>Because getting them insurance wouldn’t make them stop going to the ER…</p>

<p>My math went as such:</p>

<p>16% of the population is uninsured. So, out of 1000 people 160 have no insurance.</p>

<p>20% of ER visits are from uninsured people. So if say 100 people went the ER from that 1000, 20 of them would be uninsured, and 80 would have insurance. So</p>

<p>840/80 = 1 in 10.5 insured people.</p>

<p>160/20 = 1/8 uninsured people.</p>

<p>If the uninsured people were insured, we’d expect only 1/10.5 of them to go to the ER.</p>

<p>160 * 1/10.5 = 15.24.</p>

<p>So the gain is 20 - 15.24 = about 4.75 less visits, or 95.25 visits instead of 100. This is a drop of 4.75%.</p>

<p>If, however, 1/5 of the 20 visits were from people who actually DO have insurance, in the form of savings which they use to pay for care, then the real number of uninsured visits would be 15, or about 1/10, which is the same number you’d expect if they were insured.</p>

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<p>Again, I think that’s a person’s choice to make. Do I think they would be wiser to not put care off? Yes, but it’s still their choice to make. I also think it would be wiser to not smoke, and not put off car repairs, and not eat twinkies, and not go on cruises off Somalia… But as long as they will pay for the consequences, or else have insurance to pay for them, it’s none of my business.</p>

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<p>^Fair enough. The problem with that though is that it’s much more piecemeal than that. Whether or not insured people end up in the ER is correlated with a lot of other factors. As an example, a lot of elderly people with insurance end up in the hospital because they lack adequate primary care. They’re also far more likely to get sick. You can’t assume that people without insurance will suddenly act as a whole like the insured do on average now.</p>

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<p>^So… In that case, how is forcing them to get insurance going to help anything?</p>

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<p>They don’t end up in the ER cause they get primary care like the average person…</p>

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<p>^ Wait, what? At BEST, they will go to the ER at the same rate as insured people do. So read my math a few posts above.</p>

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<p>“they [currently uninsured] will go to the ER at the same rate as [currently] insured people do”
Isn’t this precisely what is supposed to happen? Or am I misunderstanding you?</p>

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<p>^ Yes. But only a very small percentage of ER visits are due to uninsured people being more likely to go to the ER, so that would not do much to help the overcrowding problem TCBH cited.</p>

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<p>Wait what? At BEST, you didn’t understand my post. Read it over again.</p>

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