<p>rjk, there are plenty of good reason for choosing UVa over Michigan. Pre-law students, business majors and students in the humanities are just as well off at UVa, so if one prefers the slightly more conservative vibe at UVa, or the better weather, why not? Only students in the sciences (including Engineering and pre-med) are better off at Michigan. </p>
<p>msb314’s list is interesting. Cal and Swarthmore on the same list? Georgia Tech and Amherst? MIT and UVa? Individually, I can easily see how any of those universities would make anybody’s top 10 list as they each have great features. But together in one list, they make little sense. Clearly, warm weather schools populate the top 10 list, but Amherst and Swarthmore seem a little out of place.</p>
<p>i’m just saying that one were to get into both Northwestern and Michigan Ross. and let’s say they were primarily into studying a humanities in smaller school setting, but needed a backup plan if their interests changed, then NU would probably be a better fit. This wouldn’t necessarily work for someone in LSA.</p>
<p>While it is true that LSA would not be as potent as Northwestern in placing students in consulting/IBD jobs, a student who is strong enough to get into Northwestern should be able to get into Ross, and with Ross’ relatively flexible curriculum (I think Ross only requires 50 credits out of the 120 credits required for graduation), it is fairly easy to double major in Business from Ross and a humanity from LSA in four years. Also, I understand that at Northwestern, many of the students who are considered competitive for consulting and IBD jobs are either in the MMSS program or in one of the two Kellogg certificate programs, all of which are quite exclusive. But you are quite right, LSA straight up is not as potent an option as Northwestern Weinberg for consulting or IBD jobs. Bottom line, if an LSA student at Michigan has the intellectual horsepower and the desire to work in consulting or IBD, double majoring at Ross is by far the most viable option.</p>
<p>yeah, although the consensus is that LSA does not do as well as COE or Ross. That’s not to say that it’s impossible to find a decent job after graduate. There are tons of opportunities on campus that students don’t take full advantage of. Of course, most liberal arts classes do not translate into real-world skills, but really you can just fix that by joining a club/project that requires an immense amount of passion, effort, and time.
Personally, I’ve met LSA upperclassmen who have interned in the Bay Area and Amazon.</p>
<p>My DD was contemplating applying to undergrad B school. We spoke to 3 different people - Finance Professor at NYU, Partner at Mckinsey and VP @ Tech powerhouse. The consensus was DO NOT STUDY business in the undergrad level. Study liberal arts & go to MBA if you still want in a few years. The NYU prof said that he cannot recall a single child of any of his colleagues going to B school. They believe a solid liberal arts program is more valuable than a undergraduate B program - be it in wall street or technology or consulting. My friends D studied philosophy @ a top 5 school - was recruited by an IBank from there. The only exception to this rule (atleast that 2 of the above 3 mentioned) was if you got into Wharton for undergrad. </p>
<p>Kind of contradicts the postings here - for what it is worth</p>
<p>CUPKSDAD - While there is nothing wrong with that opinion, please peruse the attached link for the recent UM employment data on the attached for Ross BBA grads. You’ll notice that virtually all looking for employment get employment, quickly, with strong employers, at high starting salaries, with signing bonuses. If you were to look at the same for LSA grads, none of those factors would be as strong. </p>
<p>WayneandGarth - Thanks - useful information that I will share with my D. I was just sharing anecdotal information that I received from a industry and academic circles - not try to put down any school or program. However (1) I think Ross, Wharton, Stern etc maybe exceptions given their top notch undergrad business programs (2) Given that a number of the top schools do not even have an undergraduate business program, you have to believe that liberal arts students at top schools have no problem finding jobs. </p>
<p>The report talks about the placement record of Ross - Is there any info about placement of econ grads from LSA? My kid is headed in that direction</p>
<p>CUPKSDAD, I doubt they were referring to top Business programs such as Wharton, Ross, Sloan, McIntire, Haas, McDonough, Dyson, Stern etc…Ross placed 30 students at Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley last year. </p>
<p>What people do not understand is that those firms do not recruit those types of numbers at more than a handful of universities, and Michigan is one of them…but mainly thanks to Ross. If your daughter enrolls at Michigan, and her goal is a job on Wall Street, she would be best served by majoring in Business. If she wants a liberal arts education, no problem as Ross is very flexible and allows students to double major in LSA with relative ease.</p>
<p>Alexandre, to clarify, Ross’s new BBA curriculum (being implemented starting class of '17) requires a minimum of 58 credits in Ross. LSA requires 100 credits in LSA for a degree. So even with substantial AP credit, an extra term would likely be required for a dual degree.</p>
<p>Getting back to the original question, I did choose a different school over Michigan the first time: a small but nationally prestigious liberal arts college. Although the size of the school and the accessibility of its resources were more to my liking, a variety of factors led me to choose to come back to my home state and transfer here after a year.</p>
<p>My daughter, a current freshman is also looking to apply to Ross this year and the plan laid out with her advisors has her doing LSA and Ross in 5 years. The requirements at LSA are forcing the extra year (which have nothing to due with her also being in both the Honors and Residential college programs).</p>
<p>This is pretty standard. For example, the Cornell College of Arts & Sciences (CAS) has the exact same requirements–120 credits total, of which 100 must be in CAS. The University of Wisconsin College of Letters & Science is even more demanding: 120 credits total, of which 108 must be in the College of Letters & Science. Penn counts credits differently. They count a semester-long course as one credit, but the requirements are similar: to get a Bachelors degree from Penn’s College of Arts & Sciences, you need 32 to 36 credits, depending on your major, of which 20 must be outside the major, but only 4 may be outside CAS.</p>
<p>The idea is they want you to get a broad education in the arts and sciences, not just a narrow specialization in your major. That’s what a liberal arts education is all about. And they don’t want to make it too easy for a student in another school or college within the university to pick up a second degree (not just a second major) simply by fulfilling the major requirements for an LSA major, without getting the broad arts & sciences education that is the hallmark of an LSA degree.</p>
<p>There also may be financial implications for the particular school or college within the university. Not sure how it is at Michigan, but many universities allocate tuition revenue based on where students actually take courses. So if you’re a student in the university’s liberal arts college but taking half your classes outside the liberal arts college, the liberal arts college gets only half your tuition, and the rest is divided among the other schools and colleges within the university based on where you’re taking classes. So they want to give you some room to take classes outside the liberal arts college, but not too much because that hits them in the pocketbook.</p>