is toefl the same as SAT reasoning?

<p>really, they say that it is the same, but i don't really know if i should trust it.
i got a relatively low score on the SAT(560,760,530) and so i didn't sent it automatically. i then sent the toefl with 105 and the subjects tests with maths at 690(i think it's slighly low) and 800 in physics(and 750 in biology M).
so now they write that the test requirements are fulfilled, but i still have january test date, i already registered for sat reasoning.
1) should i send the past test(because of the 760 in maths)
2) should i do the test again(i don't know how better i'll do)
3) is the 690 in maths dangerous?
4) does it count anything that i'm trying to do biology and i'm sending physics as my highest(i still have a 750 in biology)?</p>

<p>and yes IS IT REALLY THE SAME TO SEND ONLY THE TOEFL??</p>

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<li>If you do, I think they’re going to judge you by your TOEFL score because it would make you look better. </li>
<li>If you want to apply to other schools, yes I think you should. </li>
<li>I think it’s a little dangerous since they say every score higher than 700 is good enough but 690 is a bit lower than 700.</li>
<li>I don’t think there’s a problem here. They want a science subject test and I don’t think they really care which one it is.</li>
</ol>

<p>You’re not the only one who doesn’t trust what the admissions office says so I’m not only speaking to you when I say that there is absolutely no reason for them to lie. Please don’t trust strangers on CC more than the admissions office to the college that you hope to attend.
If you send all of your test scores in, MIT will look at each section and only consider the sections that put you in the best light. Make sure to tell them if you have more exams coming in January, so that they know to wait for them. Do not take the bio SATII again for MIT! They will look only at Physics because it is already an 800. Taking biology again will be a waste of both your time and money! Again, I’m only talking for MIT, I have know idea what other colleges want.</p>

<p>I tried to contact them by phone, but there wasn’t anyone there. My problem is the date. I think that my problem is now if i want to try to other universities.
I feel that mit is the school most suitable for me, and the place where i have the most chances to get in(among the need-blind with financial aid to international students).
Going for maths 2 may slightly increase my chances there but it means i’m closing all other opportunities and as we know for an international student there is a high uncertainty.
The thing is, if i’m not going to be accepted at mit which is where i have the highest chances, will i have any chance to get in others?(harvard, princeton, yale). If the response is no it’s clear that i will have to do the math 2. Otherwise i might need to do the reasoning…</p>

<p>For a non native English speaker, I doubt that your SAT I score would be considered low. If you are sending both your Toefl and your SAT I, probably all the schools you are hoping to get into will be satisfied with your English ability. However, if you choose not to take your Math II exam again then definitely send MIT your SAT I scores so that they can see your math ability. Try calling them after January 1. In the US it is currently a holiday week. You can tell them then that you are taking another exam in January.</p>

<p>Is what you wrote(my sat scores wouldn’t be considered low) by harvard or princeton?</p>

<p>And should i send anyway my sat i scores?</p>

<p>I am only guessing that your SAT I score in CR wouldn’t be considered low for Harvard. I can’t imagine that they expect non native English speakers to score in the same ranges as students who have been speaking English their whole lives. If you don’t feel comfortable with your SAT I score then take it again. But regardless don’t be afraid to send those scores to MIT. Showing MIT that your math SAT I score is 700+ is very important to make up for your lower math SAT II score. In any case, even if MIT thinks your 690 is good enough, I promise you that sending them your SAT I scores will hurt you, But it may help.</p>

<p>i’ve changed my january test from reasoning to math 2 subject.
so what does it mean, you say that sending my SAT I scores will hurt me, but it may help… i don’t actually understand that phrase.
i think i’ve 3 choices.
just hide my scores and tell that i’ll be sending math 2 in january.
tell them i’ve got a bad SAT, so i didn’t send that.
tell them i’ve got a bad SAT and send it to them from collegeboard.</p>

<p>rothstem: Unfortunately, there are people from other countries where English isn’t the spoken language who do very well on the CR part and the OP should compete with them. And 560 is a bit low, even for a non-native speaker.</p>

<p>Anna: you are right… applying for an application is a competitive process.</p>

<p>i have some friends that got 2380, and also some that entered with that type of scores(2300+) so i think it is much more frequent…(but they still prepared for somewhat the past 5 years)</p>

<p>i think i would go telling them that i’ve got 760 in maths but not good enough the other sections without specifing and without sending the official one, but reminding them that i’ll send the math 2</p>

<p>I am so sorry that I confused you! I accidentally left out the word ‘not’. It will not hurt your MIT application! I have know idea and I was just guessing about Harvard.
You do NOT have to worry about sending your SAT I scores to MIT because they have said that they only look at you in the best light. That means that if your Toefl scores make your English look better than your SAT scores do, they will consider only your Toefl English score, but will consider your high SAT math score. </p>

<p>Of course you should do what you want. It your application. I just think that it is ironic that you don’t trust MIT when they say that they will only consider your highest scores across sections but you want MIT to trust you when you say that you have a 760 without sending them the official report. </p>

<p>MIT looks at English scores of non native speakers to make sure that students can speak and understand enough English to do well in their classes. After they are sure that English won’t be an obstacle the rest of your application is much more important to them than your test scores! Once again, I am very familiar with MIT’s application process, I do not speak for any other school. I didn’t apply to Princeton or Harvard so I am not at all familiar with what they are looking for. </p>

<p>I sent all my scores to MIT, even my low scores. I self reported my 3 in US history and I sent them my low physics score which my higher chemistry score made up for. I felt strongly that MIT should be able to tell that I was hiding nothing. I wanted them to believe that my application was genuine, that I was putting the complete truth out there. That is the kind of person that I thought MIT would want in their school. I wouldn’t change a thing obviously, as I just completed my first semester. And I am so happy there!</p>

<p>Rothstem, would you like to read my application? If you have time and you want obviously…</p>

<p>@Euge9522, I am very busy as I am vacationing abroad and won’t be back for a week. If you have any more questions though, I will try my best to answer quickly. I know that with the deadline coming up things can be quite stressful. I had a lot of good advice from CC when I was applying and I would like to pay it forward. So I’m sorry that I don’t have enough time to go through an entire application but if I can still help on a smaller scale, I would be glad to do so.</p>