<p>Yeah besides the pointless name calling, what’s your point? How have I limited the definition of prestige? If anything, I broadened it by making the point that prestige is not limited to an average person’s perception. Also, what I said was a response to truzzi’s statement that if one cares about prestige, he/she should not apply to a school like Penn. Obviously, truzzi’s definition of prestige is limited to HYP. Now, is that not being an “elitist prick”? </p>
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So tell me why I should go out of my way and seek inconvenience to “count those peoples’ opinions.” </p>
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Not exactly. University of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania State University. It’s largely the name.</p>
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<p>A lot of people care about what? When did I say people don’t care? I don’t even know what you are talking about here. And what do I have to be bitter about?</p>
<p>^“Who cares if joe schmo down the street gets Penn mixed up with Penn State?”</p>
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Prestige involves a lot more people than just those that “matter.” That’s how you narrowed it. </p>
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Well obviously but UPenn hasn’t done enough to differentiate itself. Say, for instance, a UPenn student explodes a University building with dozens of people inside. UPenn is all over the news. Common people will then know that there is another school in Pennsylvania. If they watch the news enough, they will learn it’s a great academic school. They will no longer get it confused with Penn State. Now I’m not saying a terrorist attack has to happen at UPenn for it to be recognized, but stuff has to go down.</p>
<p>I only care enough to refute ignorant statements like, “If you care about prestige, don’t apply to Penn.” </p>
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Right. And it involves a lot more than just the average joe. And when I say “those that matter” I’m obviously making a loose statement. Obviously, every individual matters in one way or another, but in terms of, say, getting me a job after graduation, only certain people will matter.</p>
<p>So let me get this straight…Senior0991 is calling powerbomb an “elitist prick” because he doesn’t care about how most people think of his university’s prestige. In what world does this make sense? And just because “a lot of people care” about prestige doesn’t mean that it matters.</p>
<p>^No I’m calling him elitist because of the language he used in his first post:
-“Joe schmo” -negative term used to describe a random person whose opinions don’t matter
-“down the street” -aka down Main Street USA
-“those who matter” -differentiating people who apparently matter (employers, colleagues, graduate school professors, etc.- basically the upper class) from these “joe schmos” who necessarily don’t matter. </p>
<p>hume15: Because you fail to recognize his elitism you are an elitist too. </p>
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That’s a whole different story, not relevant to the argument present in this thread.</p>
<p>You’re misinterpreting what he originally said. I think what powerbomb was trying to imply was that people should not worry about the opinions of those who do not matter, akin to the advice everyone gets as a child not to listen to bullying/teasing etc. It would often be pretentious to correct “Joe Schmo” who thinks you go to Penn State and tell him that you go to an Ivy League school. It would not be pretentious to correct an employer who thinks that you graduated from Penn State because such information may have an impact on his/her decision. Besides, what gives you the right to throw around terms like “elitist” as if they are an end-all to all arguments?</p>
<p>And the prestige thing is certainly relevant here, seeing as it was your phrase that I had placed in quotes (not sure if you were aware) and that it is precisely what I (and powerbomb too I think) am arguing.</p>
The next four lines all supported this statement, meaning that your entire post before the quote at the end was about our supposed “elitism.” </p>
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I’m not creating an argument here, if you don’t take what powerbomb said to be elitism, then you realize that it’s all about how perceptions of prestige don’t matter.</p>
<p>Would it have made you feel better if I gave imaginary joe schmo a more deserving name like Archibald the III? I was trying to get a point across (albeit quite bluntly) and used a commonly used fictitious name, and you took offense in my language rather than my viewpoint to call me an elitist prick. And as I’ve said, the statement, “those who matter” is obviously a loose one referring to those whose opinions matter to me regarding certain things in life, and I contextualized what I meant by parenthesizing, “namely, recruiters, etc.” Joe schmo may matter to me in other areas of life but his opinions won’t matter to me in these sort of discussions. That’s not being elitist. That’s just knowing to not care too much about certain people’s opinions in certain situations in life. </p>
<p>And as hume15 has pointed out, it would be more elitist to care about or correct what “joe schmo” thinks about Penn.</p>
<p>How am I inherently elitist? How is anyone inherently elitist, for that matter?</p>
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<p>Let me make things easier for you since you seem to be having a hard time convincing yourself: it’s more elitist to care about and correct what others think because that’s trying to establish and instill your opinions into another person’s mind when you could simply ignore the situation and move on. </p>
<p>You haven’t really done much to prove that I’m elitist other than to shout, “ELITIST! ELITIST! ELITIST!” all over this thread.</p>
<p>LOL at the fight going on above.
Anyways, from my freshman year in HS to my senior year(now), I feel like Penn has become more prestigious. A couple of years ago I didn’t see it as a top 5 school, but I do now and applied to SEAS RD.</p>
<p>@ Wuchu – I’m assuming the c is for columbia? If so lol. </p>
<p>I agree staying behind HYPS is a worthy goal and breaking into that 4 is extremely unlikely to happen. </p>
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<p>As for the name I mean yeah it’s irritating explaining so I just say I go to school in philadelphia. For ****s and giggles if I get a “Penn State?” response I just say yes, it’s the easy answer. Most of the time the people asking you don’t give a damn anyway and I’m alright with random people not knowing. I think that’s what he meant by “Joe Schmo” and “down the street” as in someone who isn’t in your family or of importance to you.</p>
<p>C A L T E C H buddy… you know, the second best engineering school in the world (behind MIT) and the school with the highest overall SAT stats of any school (but this is because it is specialized to math/science. still, it looks impressive that the av e r a g e sat score of a student there is a 2240)</p>
<p>i don’t think that highly of columbia. upenn could pass columbia. but i think HYPSMC is set in stone</p>
It wasn’t that long ago–decades, not centuries–that Stanford was not widely regarded as on the same level as HYP. As the saying goes, the only constant is change. Live another 2 or 3 decades (especially as an adult), and you’ll see how true that really is. :)</p>
<p>LOL, UPenn is second easiest Ivy to get into. It is not that hard to get Penn degree. It is not even top 5 Ivy</p>
<p>Harvard
Caltech
Yale
MIT
Stanford
Princeton
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
Amherst
Williams
Swarthmore
Bowdoin
Berkeley
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Cornell (admit rate 19%) ==== UPenn (admit rate 18%). This is where Upenn belongs. </p>
<p>What was your last alias? I’m drawing a blank.</p>
<p>Ah, it just came back to me: something like “gogupo.” And before that, “y<strong>7</strong>” or something–just remember the “y” and the “7.” Maybe someone else remembers in more detail. :)</p>
<p>For those who are new here, our friend radiosix–and whatever he called himself before–has quite a history ■■■■■■■■ in the Penn forum.</p>