ISST vs OR&E

Curious about these 2 majors (Information Science, Systems & Technology and Operations Research & Engineering). My ultimate goal is to get a versatile engineering degree that can be used in NYC IB firms or in Silicon Valley tech companies.

-Do any current/past students have experience with these majors? How’s the workload, grading, etc.?
-How are the job opportunities / placements for these majors? Does the Co-op program still work well for these majors?
-Considering my end goal, is there any other CoE major that you’d recommend, or are these two my best bets (and if so, which one, between ISST or OR&E)?

Thanks.

The important question is what you find of interest. They are similar majors, but I think of OR as applied math and IS&T as applied computer science. Workload and grading are probably very similar as well, so what interests you is way more important. I was an OR major years ago and I stumbled across it after coming to Cornell convinced that I was going to be a Civil Engineer. I discovered my true passion sophomore year after taking classes, talking to professors and exploring the curriculum. Not sure if you’re a current or prospective student, but it’s a Cornell Engineering degree, so you really can’t go wrong. My first job out of college was at an NYC bank doing trading software development, and the OR stuff was really useful.

@nmcorm Prospective student. Thanks for the info. Do you happen to know any OR or IS&T majors who went to Silicon Valley, or did they all do IB in NY?

OR has applications to a wide variety of activities and industries.

The OR majors that I recall did not choose either of these destinations .
One went to work in a management track for a large oil company.
Another eventually became CEO of a small manufacturing company of some type, IIRC.
This was a long time ago though.

One CC poster @redbeard, works in government-related consulting in DC.

Cornell is certainly represented in Silicon valley
https://alumni.cornell.edu/connect/networking/csv/
and on Wall Street.

But these areas hardly have a monopoly on future employment. My classmates and college friends are scattered all over the country. Doing all sorts of things.

I graduated when the internet was ARPANET, so no, I did not know anyone heading to Silicon Valley :slight_smile: . The students I knew went to financial, consulting and manufacturing jobs.

Thanks for the info @monydad and @nmcorm, appreciate it.

These may be interesting to you:
https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2017/04/27/top-feeder-schools-silicon-valley/
http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-with-the-most-alumni-at-google-2015-10
https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2015/01/07/the-top-feeder-schools-to-google-goldman-sachs-and-more/

@monydad Yep, I read 2 or all 3 of those. Would love to go to Cornell, but sadly I don’t think I’ll be admitted ED and I don’t want to lose my ED1 advantage at another school I’m getting recruited by. May just pass it up for now and I can always transfer down the road…

Also, do you think Cornell’s high placement is due to the fact that they have the most undergrads of any Ivy, or are the programs that good? I’ve heard engineering is pretty competitive/cut throat there.

“…do you think Cornell’s high placement is due to the fact that they have the most undergrads of any Ivy, or are the programs that good?”

The firms I worked for recruited at campuses where they expected to find a lot of qualified and capable applicants who might want to work for them. Then, from that pool, consisting of multiple schools, they hired the best people they could. They didn’t have specific per school quotas or anything. If the applicants from Cornell weren’t good enough, compared to that pool of all applicants from all schools, they wouldn’t be hired.

So (almost)all of the above is true. Size is relevant in attracting recruiters in the first place. Based on the amounts hired they obviously are finding useful people there. Finding enough of them at one place relieves them from having to go to every place.The takeaway should be that if you are good enough and fit you can wind up there too. Which is I thought what you were concerned about.

Except one thing. It has nothing whatsoever to do with being an “Ivy”. IMO. The tech companies hire lots of people from Stanford, Berkeley, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, none of which are Ivies. the Ibanks hire lots of people from places like Duke, Georgetown, MIT, etc, who are not Ivies. These industries are too competitive, they are not social clubs. They try to get the best people who can do the work.

“I’ve heard engineering is pretty competitive/cut throat there.”
A lot of courses are curved*. Just like at most other engineering schools I’m familiar with. It is tougher to beat the curve when your fellow classmates are very smart and highly motivated. Cornell students fit that description. No moreso than the students at about two dozen other institutions, if not more. But still, they fit. It is tough.

That does not make it “cut throat”. You need to study to do well, but it’s not like people are going to steal your lab report or anything. When I was there, in my dorm, freshman engineers formed study groups to study together for their physics exams.

From everything I’ve read, Harvey Mudd is probably a lot tougher. They have really smart students taking courses that, by reputation, are taught at an abnormally high level. More like Cal Tech or MIT. I’d be more worried about that, personally.

  • at least in the core courses the first two years. A lot of elective courses taken as upperclassmen were also co-registered as grad school courses, and the grading for those was a lot easier. When I was there.,