Ivies and the SAT Wrting

<p>Which Ivies stress the SAT Writing and which dont </p>

<p>im interested in Brown and Dartmouth</p>

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One measure of the academic strength of the pool its SAT averages. This year’s average math and verbal scores were 726 and 723 respectively, which are comparable to previous years. Furstenberg noted that the new writing section on the SATs are not given as much emphasis during the acceptance process because the College is unsure of how this section reflects intelligence.

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<a href="http://thedartmouth.com/2007/03/30/news/acceptance/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://thedartmouth.com/2007/03/30/news/acceptance/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>That's basically what any college will tell you.</p>

<p>It's not weighted as highly as the CR or M sections.</p>

<p>This was last year and the year before. Now that they have 2 years of data, you can bet they will begin counting it as equal to the other two sections. And why shouldn't they??? You guys realize every school basically required SAT II writing before anyway?</p>

<p>yeah, colleges continue to say that they're "researching" how the SAT writing scores stack up in relation to the others....for me personally, I wish they would just count them the same b/c my writing score happens to be the best out of 3 ;)</p>

<p>umm.what if my writing decreased from a 760 to a 640? Will that look bad for the ivies. (M and CR = 1550)</p>

<p>no it won't....they usually superscore your SAT anyway</p>

<p>Well, they'll definitely start looking at the writing score more carefully now that it's been here for awhile. Plus, it's comparable to the SAT II writing test from before.</p>

<p>its outta control that they do not look at the writing score...seeing as it is my best section, hehe. I mean but if they counted it before why not count it now? Makes zero sense.</p>

<p>Brown reports SAT writing section score ranges </p>

<p><a href="http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3746&profileId=6%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3746&profileId=6&lt;/a> </p>

<p>which should mean, by the Common Data Set Initiative rules, that those scores are considered in the admission process. </p>

<p>By contrast, Dartmouth doesn't report an interquartile range for the writing section, </p>

<p><a href="http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3300&profileId=6%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3300&profileId=6&lt;/a> </p>

<p>suggesting that Dartmouth indeed gives less weight to that section in admission decisions. Checking other colleges on the College Board College Finder application gives you a way to quickly check what each college does with scores on that section.</p>

<p>At a recent visit to Davidson College a well-informed admissions person said the writing section is too new to provide any correlation between scores and performance in college. I think he's right. The first group taking SAT writing just completed their freshman year in '07. When this group graduates, the data should be pretty good, but that's not to say that SAT W score will be found to be a better indicator of college success than SAT CR or some other measure.</p>

<p>yeah but they used it when it was a subject test, why not now?!</p>

<p>Solution: Get rid of the writing part of the SAT I and make it as an SAT II.</p>

<p>o btw, check this out.</p>

<p><a href="http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=1251&profileId=6%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=1251&profileId=6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>If you need SAT in 2300+ to be competitive in most Ivies, than you should at least get 700 in writing section assuming you have perfect scores 1600 in M+CR. So yes it will count in most Ivies. Maybe not as much in Dartmouth and Columbia. </p>

<p>my two cents</p>

<p>I really don't know the new trend for SAT Writing in regards to the high school graduating class of 2008, but this last year, I only had a 690 in Writing (but 1600 MV) and I got into all schools that I applied to (with several Ivies and MSC) except HYP (waitlisted at HY). </p>

<p>I suspect that writing wasn't a big factor last year, but I guess it will grow in importance in the coming years...I still think the system is flawed - the essay doesn't measure true writing ability. A standard, boring 5-paragraph essay is what the graders are looking for @@"</p>

<p>A different perspective...</p>

<p>High school '06 grad w/ 700M 710V 630 Writing</p>

<p>Got into Dartmouth with a 630 on the writing. I suspect that most of the ivies are still looking for strong Math and Verbal scores without a complete flop on writing. A 630 could be considered a marginal score, but who knows? I'm just putting it out there that a 630 was accepted, even with below average math and verbal scores for the school.</p>

<p>I also got into Dartmouth with a respectable but not amazing writing score (800CR/760M/710W=2270).</p>