<p>Freud suggested a form of envy that has been wildly discredited, however, the dreaded "IVY ENVY" seems very real and unchecked.</p>
<p>Any ideas on why?</p>
<p>There seems to be no
PAC 10 envy
Big 10 envy
ACC envy
WAC envy (ok, maybe WAC envy)
Mid-America Envy
SE Con-envy</p>
<p>Interested in hearing some suggestions that are not envious.</p>
<p>In the Midwest the Big 10 carry as much weight as the Ivy.</p>
<p>The near-Ivies (MIT, Stan, Duke) are also great schools, and a lot of people envy them as well. They're not part of an official league though.</p>
<p>Ivy-envy is a curious one...I live in Palo Alto, and I've heard many Stanford students talk about their Ivy-League education (at least three times so far), and it cracks me up each time!</p>
<p>It probably exists partly because for most, it's unattainable. The Ivy League is set. Even if a school attains Ivy-caliber programs (like stanford) they're still not in the ivy league and never will be.</p>
<p>Yeah but public perception is that Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT and Princeton are the only ivies. The Lesser Five are unknown and miniscule compared to the Stanford/MIT giants. They also lose big time in admit battles with them, especially Stanford. </p>
<p>UPenn, Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, and Columbia aren't as ivy-league as Stanford and MIT. Ironic, no?</p>
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<li>Barrons, I'm unfamiliar with Big-10 envy</li>
<li>Gollub, Stanfurd is a school in the West somewhere? Right.</li>
<li>RK, Do'n't hate people for wishing otherwise, we all have dreams, think Quixote.</li>
<li>Supperdupper, time for a new rock, the one your under is applying undue pressure.</li>
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<p>how about some SEC or ACC envy in the south? or some Big 12 envy too?</p>
<p>I think Stanford, MIT, Harvard, and Yale are so good in their own right that they don't need to be a member of the ivy league to enhance their prestige. On the other hand, the other members of the ivy league rely on their league membership to enchance their prestige. I sincerely believe that if you took out any of the Lesser Five from the ivy league, and even Princeton maybe, they would be have the prestige of a mid-level LAC or a flag-ship state reasearch university. </p>
<p>But as Stanford and MIT have proven, not having an ivy league membership means nothing if you can make your school the best in the nation. The Lesser Five ivies are not the best, and therefore they rely on the ivy league as a crutch.</p>
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<p>The Lesser Five ivies are not the best, and therefore they rely on the ivy league as a crutch.</p>
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<p>Interesting topic ... it will be interesting to see how the exchange unfolds. </p>
<p>As a Cornell grad I do not agree with the comment above ... while at Cornell and as a grad Cornell was always been discussed on it's own terms and the connection to the other IVY league schools was minimal. It seems to me that it is the folks who are anti-IVY folks who talk of the eight school as a group and talk of the lesser IVYies. Frankly, I never heard so much energy about IVYies except on the CC ... both from folks who really want to go to one (I'm from the mindset that a well thought out set of possible schools would not include all 8) to the folks who are anti-IVY.</p>
<p>In a broader context there seems to be a tendency to build up one school by tearing down another (or in this case a bunch of schools). There are lots of terrific schools out there ... the more we, on CC, help kids understand the attributes (especially the unique ones) of each school they will make better informed choices ... providing this insight does require going negative.</p>
<p>Stanford = Harvard = MIT= Yale = Princeton</p>
<p>Stanford > Cornell
Stanford > UPenn
Stanford > Dartmouth
Stanford > Columbia
Stanford > Brown</p>
<p>MIT > Cornell
MIT > UPenn
MIT > Dartmouth
MIT > Columbia
MIT > Brown</p>
<p>Stanford, Harvard, MIT, Yale, and Princeton should make their own league of top schools.</p>
<p>Well then poor MIT would get the crap beat out of them in athletics.</p>
<p>On second thought, that already happens. Carry on.</p>
<p>"In the Midwest the Big 10 carry as much weight as the Ivy."</p>
<p>I've lived in the Midwest my entire life, and I currently attend the U of MN part time, and believe me, there is NO Big 10 envy. In fact, the main streets around the U are called Harvard, Princeton, Wellesley, Berkeley, etc. Ivy Envy on a Big 10 campus? You betcha.</p>
<p>Well, U of Minnesota IS the Brown of the Big 10...</p>
<p>(mack ducks and runs for cover)</p>
<p>Ubermensch, for the last time, shut the hell up. Why don't you actually get into a college first before you start hating? You can write as many Stanford> posts as you want, but guess what? The bottom line is, it's not in the Ivy League and Cornell, Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth and Brown are, whatever you may think of them (not that I value your opinion much). You're just going to have to suck it up and live with it.</p>
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<p>Brown plays better football.
[cue rimshot]</p>
<p>Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.
Try the veal - I've heard it's excellent.</p>
<p>In Hawaii, you could tell them you went to an Ivy league school, but they still want to know, but what high school brah?</p>
<p>How to get over Ivyenvy....make friends with graduates, hire graduates get to know graduates....the more people you know and the better you know them, the less important the schools become.</p>
<p>Uber - get over it. Methinks you protest too much.</p>
<p>Ubermensch and Collegeperson12 I recommend seeing a doctor
for what is clearly and regrettably a bad case of </p>
<p> ..respectyle-dysfunction .., </p>
<p>though there is no known cure there is treatment which has been known to afford an evenings reprieve from the emasculating night-time symptoms associated with not being the most virile rooster in the barnyard when the sun rises. If the stated dysfunction lasts for more than four days return to your doctor,
GC, SAT tutor, parents and the bully who picked on you in 8th grade for a new diagnosis (careful with the bully, :( some things never change).</p>
<p>Mr.B: you bet your sweet pulelahuah.</p>
<p>Why is it that everyone who goes to or wants to go to the Lesser Five are getting mad at people who say the ivy league isn't all that it's cracked up to be? Some people just expressed their opinions about how the ivy league is nothing to jump up and down about because it's the name of the SCHOOL that matters instead of the league it is in. There's no need to get angry folks.</p>