<p>"U.Penn isn't a public university. The closest would be Cornell with a few of their schools being public land-grant entities while most of the university is private."</p>
<p>I know, I was joking with the whole "University of" thing and being compared to PSU all the time...</p>
<p>You know, I've heard that a lot of international students apply to Penn State thinking it's U.Penn. The same with Michigan State for Michigan, and even Haverford for Harvard.</p>
<p>Alexandre-
"Collegebound, you are speaking of the uneducated/unimportant masses of the world."</p>
<p>Yes, I said "in terms of just the general population." You should read my post again.</p>
<p>But collegebound, who cares about what uneducated people think of education? Most uneducated people do not have the ability to impact my life in any way. The only point of education to to learn and develop, make good and valuable friendships, get into graduate school and or get a good job.</p>
<p>hmm i actually think some of the big10 schools, especially michigan, get some respect out in the west coast, especially if they get exposure with some academic pac10 teams like stanford, berkeley, ucla, or usc. but in the end, it seems like illinois, texas, unc, wisconson, etc. are more noted for their sports than academics. michigan and to a lesser extent uva are a level above that, it seems.</p>
<p>Alexandre-</p>
<p>"But collegebound, who cares about what uneducated people think of education? Most uneducated people do not have the ability to impact my life in any way. The only point of education to to learn and develop, make good and valuable friendships, get into graduate school and or get a good job."</p>
<p>Umm..yes I know. Did I ever disagree with your statement? I said what I though about the general public's opinion on schools, but I never gave my opinion on employers' opinions. Basically, I agree with what you say that there are non-Ivy league schools out there that employers and grad schools look favorably upon. I don't really know what we're arguing about here.</p>
<p>" who cares about what uneducated people think of education? Most uneducated people do not have the ability to impact my life in any way. The only point of education to to learn and develop, make good and valuable friendships, get into graduate school and or get a good job."</p>
<p>Ah, how naive you guys are. Do you think that all employers are enlightened individuals who are smart and well informed about colleges? Most managers are dumb as hell, and the people who hire you are usually the most uninformed people you will ever meet. Do uneducated people have an impact on your life? You bet your ass. They are the ones doing the hiring.</p>
<p>kfc4u--you might be taken more seriously if you could even spell Wisconsin.</p>
<p>I disagree Alexandre. Stupid people do have the ability to affect your life. To quote V. S. Naipaul, "The melancholy thing about the world is that it is full of stupid and common people, and the world is run for the benefit of the stupid and the common." </p>
<p>Look no further than our president and the people who elected him. Quoting London's Daily Mirror, "How can 58,054,087 people be so DUMB?"</p>
<p>I thought W ran it for the benefit of the rich and therefore smart?. You can't have it both ways. Who gives a *&&^% what some crappy Brit rag thinks anyway?</p>
<p>There are plenty of Americans who would pose the same question.</p>
<p>Barrons, it's funny that you say that because the most truthful thing that the normally-ironic, tongue-in-cheek Onion newspaper has ever written was its headline after the election: "Nation's Poor Win Election for Nation's Rich."</p>
<p>rooster08, I disagree with you. Public schools offer a great education at a fraction of the cost.</p>
<p>anovice, A lot of people do say that you should go to a top school to get into graduate school. Now, I have examples to show where they are wrong. A friend of my brother's from University of California at Berkeley applied to medical school with a 3.6, who founded a premed club and had great EC's. He did not get into any and is currently in Europe. Now, another friend of his from Fresno State with a 3.4 got into UCLA medical school. So basically, getting into a graduate school has a lot to do with luck, but I know people will reply saying you have better chances by going to a top ivy league.</p>
<p>barrons, what does beign rich have to do with being smart?</p>
<p>Pretty much I think. Your highest paying professions all require a good brainpower--lawyers, doctors, finance folks, comp sci dweebs, accountants, consultants all have way above average IQ's. Certainly there are poor smart people but most wealthy people are pretty smart--excluding a certain hotel heiress.</p>
<p>The Onion--started at the University of Wisconsin. Still delivered free on campus.</p>
<p>The Onion rocks!</p>
<p>I still say it depends. Honestly, if Ivy sucks for your intended line of major (in my case, Engineering), why would you go to it? There are tons of better public schools for it. The name? </p>
<p>It's too debatable as everyone ends up differently after they graduate no matter where they came from. It should be more about the person than the name or number.</p>
<p>"It's too debatable as everyone ends up differently after they graduate no matter where they came from. It should be more about the person than the name or number."</p>
<p>Meng - the voice of reason...</p>
<p>barrons, those professions you mentioned have more to do with education than "smartness." In order to practice law you need to have a law degree. In order to practice medicine you need to have a medical degree. Yes, I agree that education implies intelligence but for well to do people, it is much much much easier to become educated. </p>
<p>Education generally implies intelligence.</p>
<p>More money generally implies easier access to education. </p>
<p>Being rich does not imply intelligence.</p>
<p>Not being rich does not imply lack of intelligence.</p>
<p>If you were not saying anything to the contrary then thats cool. Sorry then to take up peoples time.</p>
<p>Barron's, I agree, like I mean</p>
<p>Bill Gates...
Kevin Garnett...
some 19 year old with his names mixed up, Lebron James</p>
<p>see? From this information I provided, everyone should go to college so they can be smart and rich!</p>
<p>Saying people are rich because they are smart is a fallacy of false cause.
And saying that all rich people are smart is a fallacy of composition.</p>
<p>and you will point out that these (the last 2 names, while I point out that the 1st one did not graduate) are abnormalities, and I will respond that you made a blanket statement.</p>