I am an international IB student from Singapore and I am interested in getting recruited to some of the ivy league schools. My top choices are Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth and Cornell ( I think it’s a lot harder to get into Yale or Harvard lol). My main events are 200m breastroke, 200m IM and 400 IM. I wouldn’t say I am the fastest swimmer but my time is kinda decent…
200m breastwork short course meter= 2:19.56 -------2:06.53 ( in SC yard)
200m IM short course meter= 2:12.97
100m Breastroke short course meter= 1:06.56
These are my short course times and honestly, I am way better in short course pool ( my long course pool kinda bad).
My extra CCAs/awards are:
Economics tutor for school for 2 years
Orchestra 2 years
NYAA awards Bronze
NYAA awards Silver
NYAA awards Gold
Singapore schools sports colours award x2
FCAS awards
community service.
My IB range is around… lets say 37 to 40 points.
For the SATs, I have done 4 practice tests and I have been constantly scoring 1260s to 1290s…
My main question is…do recruited swimmers get accepted to Ivy league with SATs score like mine? What are the chances for me getting into these schools? What do you think the minimum SAT scores are for recruited swimmers?
The best place to compare your times is at the Ivy League Championships. I’m assuming you are a male swimmer since “Mr” is in your name, so check the times here: http://ivyleague.com/sports/2018/2/15/MSWIM_0215184907.aspx You want to be in the one of the three heats for finals if you need a bump because of test scores.
Are you hoping to apply soon or do you have a few years to grow and improve your test scores?
I also recommend getting an account on collegeswimming.com, enter your times and see if your “power index” compares to others who have been recently recruited. So far we have found that to be a decent comparison.
Especially since you have times in LCM and SCM, and the times for these colleges will be SCY, that power index will give you something with decent comparisons that don’t rely on converting your times,
I mean do yall know anyone who got into the ivy with low SAT scores but as a recruited swimming athlete? My SATs now are between 1300 to 1370s…yh I improved a little bit but that was just practice…
@AlwaysMoving Hi I believe I will be applying next year around November 1st… But do I really have to apply Early Decision? Or is there like regular decision way too? Also, are you sure some swimmers get recruited to Dartmouth or Brown with my SAT range scores? I mean because my scores are pretty low (1300)…I have done lots of research on Brown, Dartmouth and possibly Cornell’s men swimming and I have to say that some breastrokers are slower than me ( not trying to be cocky but telling the truth lol). For instance there is a guy who swims 2:08 second for 200 yard breast for Brown and my time is faster than his… HELP ME PLEASE haha
Not that familiar with swimming, but II second those who’ve said that your scores (which are on the low end for the schools you are targeting) need to be offset with better times.
This is a good general site to peruse. It has an Academic Index Calculator and commentary about recruitabilty for different score levels. http://www.tier1athletics.org/2012/10/01/academic-index-calculator-2016/. Just punching in a 1350 SAT plus a 3.5 UW GPA puts you at an AI using that calculator at 208, which is generally in the range for athletic recruits. However, the way it works is stronger athletic recruits can get away with lower AI’s, while marginal (but recruitable) athletes need higher AI’s. Further, the Ivies by agreement have a minimum AI average to hit for all recruited athletes (must be within 1 standard deviation of the campus average) and each coach likely has a sub minimum average because certain sports will be allocated more leeway (e.g. football, basketball, hockey). This means recruitable AI ranges will vary by school, by sport and by the desirability of the athlete by skill or talent. Further different sports have a different number of athletic recruit spots. As an international student who looks to be a marginal athlete (vs. a true world class swimmer), it may be even more difficult to get recruited. The only way to find out for sure if you are recruitable is direct contact with the coaches. You can start the ball rolling by filling out the recruiting questionnaire on the school’s athletic website and then separately submit times from verifiable meets along with your school transcript and actual test scores to the coach via email.
For the vast majority of cases, if you are a recruited athlete, which means the coach actively supports you with admissions and is willing to use one of his/her limited spots for you, they will require you to apply ED (or SCEA for HYP) because they are trying to put together their class of recruits for the next season and they do not want to use quota on a recruit who is not equally committed.
To get a better idea of where your times would rank in the Ivy League, take a look at the Ivy Champs (as someone mentioned above). You should always compare your suited/shaved time with a college champ time (do not compare your champ time to one of their dual meets). https://www.collegeswimming.com/results/104716/event/18/ Here are the Ivy champ results.
Brown men were not there this year due to a disciplinary thing, but schools of ANY division will want to know that you can contribute (score points) at their conference championship. When you speak with coaches you also should be aware of where exactly you would rank for them. It is all about the points at Conference (or NCAA qualification).
You should fill out the online recruit forms and then contact coaches directly. They will let you know if you are a candidate for any help with admissions or if you have a chance to contribute to the team. The more realistic you can be about your times and where they rank, the better chance you have of finding an appropriate match (if you really want to swim while at college).