<p>I'm starting to find that I like the "New Ivies" better than the older, more traditional Ivies. It just seems like the Northwesterns, Stanfords, Vandys of the world have more fun. Check out this tour guide video: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhpoYCbvxGk%5B/url%5D">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhpoYCbvxGk</a></p>
<p>There is no such thing as New Ivies. They are just good schools. You can do a search for similar threads on the topic. It is just a designation that is used by pretty much every university to somehow make themselves appear more prestigious than they actually are.</p>
<p>Who says the kids at the Ivy league don’t have fun, or that the ones at other top schools do or don’t? They’re all amazing schools that have their own selling points, so let’s stop trying to come up with poor sweeping generalizations.</p>
<p>Some of the Ivy League schools are more social than others. But I believe being in a major sports conference adds to a schools social scene.</p>
<p>Here is a video of a typical party/weekend at Vanderbilt:</p>
<p><a href=“Barstool Blackout Tour Nashville - YouTube”>Barstool Blackout Tour Nashville - YouTube;
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<p>I’m pretty sure Stanford, MIT, UChicago, and Cal Tech don’t have to worry about prestige. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>The Ivies gain some of their strength from being closely grouped together. Considering their history and prestige, it is unlikely any new group of universities can challenge them in prestige.</p>
<p>“New Ivies” are just a disjointed group of schools from all over the country with no athletic/academic interaction.</p>
<p>No school is using the term ‘new ivy’ to describe itself, so the idea that universities are trying to appear more prestigious then they actual are is off base. To the best of my knowledge, and I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, the term ‘new ivy’ first showed up in an article in Newsweek in 2006 where they named 25 schools. It was simply an effort to sell magazines. Since then other publications have have put out their own lists. Again, it sells. Nothing more, nothing less.</p>
<p>Someone ought to do a metathread that compiles all the “Ivy vs. XXX” threads. My suggestions for new variations on the theme … </p>
<p>Ivies vs. Winning the *Real *Lottery and Retiring to the Caribbean
Ivies vs. Dropping Out from Syracuse and Getting Your Own Talk Show
Ivies vs. Marrying the Rich Guy/Gal You Are Destined to Meet at a Lesser Cal State U</p>
<p>The Ivy League is just an athletic conference, nothing more.</p>
<p>^^^ Only in theory. In reality, these schools still have a cachet ot prestige; they’re associated with historic importance, wealth, exclusivity and academic prowess. In the east coast in particular, attending an Ivy League school gives you tremendous advantages, obviously some are more advantageous than others, but they still are a mark of some distinction. In the rest of the country, a lot less, especially among the lesser-known Ivies such as Penn or Dartmouth, for example.</p>
<p>NUCats1851, I can tell what school you’re repping. But I don’t think it does any good to talk about NU or any of the other fine schools mentioned as “New Ivies.” It presupposes that the Platonic form of the university, so to speak, is an Ivy League school and that other universities have to aspire to be Just Like Them. I don’t think that’s the case. Let Harvard be Harvard and let Northwestern be Northwestern and so on and so forth, and let it all be good. Whatsoever things are true and all that :-)</p>
<p>“Ivy League” is one of those terms that has both a broad and a narrow meaning. In its strict sense it is an athletic conference. But it’s broad sense the term stands for a lot more than that. </p>
<p>To begin with the term was in common public use for decades before the athletic conference was founded back in the 1950s. Plus, the name “Ivy League” in popular culture stands for a lot more than just sports. In fact, it’s a relatively weak athletic conference, especially in the major sports. Thus sport is perhaps the last and least thing that the term calls to mind for many and perhaps most people in the US.</p>
<p>Thank you Pizzagirl! My son goes to a school often described as a ‘public ivy’. It drives me nuts! It’s an awesome school, that is public. I find it diminishing to insist on adding the ‘ivy’ as if it’s needed to legitimize the schools excellence somehow. It’s not. The ivys are also obviously awesome schools. They absolutely can mutually coexist without a lot of fuss.</p>
<p>^Exactly. And the phrase “The Harvard of _______” (insert region or state here) is equally foolish. Each college exists as its own self, and its boosters are misguided to try to establish its identity as a version of another school.</p>
<p>New Ivies, Public Ivies, Small Ivies – and, let’s not forget – Catholic Ivies!</p>
<p>It’s true, as Pizzagirl implies, that putting the Ivy label on colleges not in the Ivy League is patronizing and not a little offensive. It presumes that “Ivy” is the absolute standard to which all other aspire. </p>
<p>I notice that MIT and Caltech have never been called the ‘Tech Ivies’, and if they were they’d probably laugh in derision.</p>
<p>As for the Catholic Ivies, the irony is that a school like Boston College spent a century or more trying to emerge from the shadow of ‘that one’ in Cambridge which tried like the dickens to keep BC “in its place”. I truly doubt that the administration, faculty and students there were secretly hoping to be just like Harvard! There has been too much bad blood between them. BC went so far as to assiduously remove any ivy that kept trying to grow on its halls, the pretext being that the vine sapped moisture from mortar between the stones, making the walls vulnerable to eventual collapse! – sure…</p>
<p>“I’m pretty sure Stanford, MIT, UChicago, and Cal Tech don’t have to worry about prestige.”</p>
<p>Hence why those schools don’t say they are some “new ivy”. If a school says they are some new ivy or public ivy or some other ridiculous notion, it should be a huge red flag of a greater issue of inferiority.</p>
<p>^you may be worrying about something that never exist. as far as I know, no school does that.</p>
<p>Google it.</p>
<p>E.g., <a href=“https://www.externalaffairs.uga.edu/government_relations/index.php/site/news_and_events/uga-named-a-public-ivy-school[/url]”>https://www.externalaffairs.uga.edu/government_relations/index.php/site/news_and_events/uga-named-a-public-ivy-school</a></p>
<p>^well, that’s just a press release saying it’s been named as such by a third-party.</p>