<p>High school students are so woefully confused about how the real world works, it boggles the mind.</p>
<p>Yeah, lol, ■■■■■■■■ legit has no clue how the real world works. ■■■■■■■■, what grade are you in anyway? Where are you interested in applying?</p>
<p>My goodness, LBR, shut up and get over yourself.</p>
<p>mgcsinc,</p>
<p>it’s probably more insecurity than naivet</p>
<p>I agree that there’s definitely some insecurity, but there’s also a profound naivet</p>
<p>When did anyone say that was the case?!</p>
<p>LBR is just a ■■■■■/flamer. You haven’t seen the multitude of threads of his/hers that have been deleted. </p>
<p>You’re better off going to watch grass grow than try to discourse with this faux authority.</p>
<p>I"m a senior by the way. Ok. This is ridiculous. Insecure? Maybe. Confused? not even close. You guys are ridiculous. Go to Brown if you want to, but don’t try to push false pretenses on the rest of the world. People don’t count on Brown to change the world as much as they do HYPS, Uchicago, Columbia, even UPenn. Why? because that is not what Brown does. It doesn’t have the resources, the faculty, or history to do so. This subject is so objective and clear cut that I can’t believe someone with a diploma from Brown can actually argue against it. Brown sits in the background and watches other schools change the world. Even as an Ivy League school, Brown doesn’t get as much name recognition as Duke or Northwestern. Ask me how I know. Is Brown a good school? Absolutely. But we all know where it really stands. I’m just the only one willing to say so on the Brown thread.</p>
<p>■■■■■■■■, I just can’t believe that you’re spending your time comparing colleges in a very petty way. As a Brown student, I honestly couldn’t care less how the school is seen by other people. For me, it’s a great place, and that’s what matters.</p>
<p>Please, just go enjoy your summer.</p>
<p>In terms of name recognition, Brown produce 4 Rhode Scholars this year, how about Duke or Northwestern or even other Ivies. Brown is more focus on undergraduate education when comparing with Duke and Northwestern. That means Brown’s undergraduate students after graduate many goes to other great schools like HYPS, etc. Brown’s engineering school, med school are very new, it doesn’t have business school as of now (it has business program though).</p>
<p>Brown used to focus on liberal arts education like Williams college (Forbes give it rank #2 -<a href=“Forbes America’s Top Colleges List 2022”>http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/</a> ). So how do you compare Williams and Duke or Nrothwestern? it is hard, isn’t it? Each school has its strength and weakness, find your best fit.</p>
<p>You may want to see the Parchment info below, just for a reference. …although i don’t buy much in the ranking. [Parchment</a> College Rankings 2012 | Parchment - College admissions predictions.](<a href=“http://www.parchment.com/c/college/college-rankings.php?thisYear=2011&thisCategory=National]Parchment”>Parchment Student Choice College Rankings 2012 | Parchment - College admissions predictions.)</p>
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<p>Oh, wow! An independent thinker! Brown loves independent thinkers! Maybe you should apply? ;-)</p>
<p>Maybe petty, but objective. Let’s not forget how this started. The OP says that Brown should be ranked above all non-ivies, because it’s an ivy. That’s incorrect. And it might be petty, but it’s objective. Anyway, I don’t want to rag on Brown, but the OP shouldn’t make outlandish claims like he does.</p>
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<p>This is so, so silly. The measures used in a ranking may be objective, but the choice of the measures and the weight assigned to them is anything but. Anyone can craft a ranking scheme that puts their own favored school on top by changing the measures and the weights. The best example I know of is “Judging the Law Schools,” a ranking of law schools produced by Thomas M. Cooley Law School, a little known and much-ridiculed law school: <a href=“http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/_docs/Judging_12th_Ed_2010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/_docs/Judging_12th_Ed_2010.pdf</a> . Their ranking, which describes itself as “an extensive, objective comparison of American law schools,” (sound familiar?) places Harvard in position 1, and Cooley in position 2. How do they accomplish that? By placing enormous weight on factors related to… wait for it… library access. Anytime anyone spouts off about “objective rankings” (which is itself erroneous since the rankings actually include reputation factors), I just think about the Cooley rankings, have a good chuckle, and move on.</p>
<p>You are right that the OP made outlandish claims but so are you. No one other than the ■■■■■ monster OP is saying that Brown is god’s gift to this earth or vastly superior to any non ivy school. You however are making equally ludicrous claims about it’s inadequacy.</p>
<p>Ok. You guys have made your point. It was unfair to say what I did about Brown. LBR is still a huge tool. And although I’m not basing my objectivity on library usage, I see your point mgcsinc.</p>
<p>LBR, get help. You have a serious problem.</p>
<p>■■■■■■■■: the response you gave is exactly the goal of trolls/flamers like LBR – a complete moron.</p>
<p>Mgcsinc,</p>
<p>I wish I had time to read the whole thing but from my quick glance, I can’t tell whether the Cooley thing is “self aware” or not. In other words, was their goal to point out how silly the ranking idea is or were they genuinely trying to assert they are 2nd best?</p>
<p>I am continually amused by how many high school students and parents take magazine college rankings so seriously, when, in fact, these rankings are based on an arbitrarty list of weighted criteria and on some faulty data sources. Forbes, for instance, considers professors ratings based on college student surveys. And, US News includes subjective criteria such as “peer assessments” sent to a very few select college administrators or total endowment without adjusting for size of school. </p>
<p>Perhaps students and parents should collect their own facts about colleges and weigh them against their own preferences. No matter what methodology you use to “rank” colleges, only one school can be “number 1”, so it just ratches up the anxiety of students to aim for that “number 1” school. </p>
<p>If you want a mid-sized university in a national historic district with a flexible/innovative curriculum, a tilt to undergraduate education, lots of research and independent study options, a very intellectual student body and a consistently top producer of Fullbright, Rhodes and other academic scholarships, then please consider Brown. Brown alumni are leaders in business, the arts, education, law, medicine, and politics, and are overwhelmingly happy with their Brown education. Brown does not want to be Harvard or UPenn or Williams. It has its own identity and, frankly, a quite successful franchise.</p>