<p>Actually I would also argue that Georgetown would go on the top of that interational recognition list, because of its unique "School of Foreign Service." Also, since world leaders like Bill Clinton, the Prince of Spain, the President of El Salvador, and the President of the Phillipines all went there. I think that JHU is mainly known in the United States, and predominantly for science.</p>
<p>thats really untrue. JHU gets a lot of humanities respect. It is absolutely known around the world, people I know from all corners of the planet recognize JHU like they would any of the elite schools, and that goes for adults and younger people. JHU is also well known in politics and international relations! if you talk to anyone in government or foreign affairs work the SAIS name is very well respected. A lot of major players in all the branches of government spent time at JHU from notables like Bloomberg to behind the scenes people like the DDCI</p>
<p>Brown= GREAT PLACE</p>
<p>it ranks as #2 on my list</p>
<p>I would LOVE it if I got in</p>
<p>Abrandel, I know that you are just getting defensive because you want to go there, and so you do not want to admit that any school is better than your beloved JHU. That is fine. However, I am not trying to be biased. I am just pointing out the general perception of both these schools, both domestically and abroad. In both of those cases, JHU ranks at the bottom- this, however, does not mean it is a bad school. It has amazing programs in a vast array of fields, but it is just not as known as the other schools on this list. :o</p>
<p>PENN!!!</p>
<p>I love penn. Hmm... I might be biased.</p>
<p>this is such a rock-paper-scissors argument in that with each case, there is something better and something worse and you can never truly be on top. </p>
<p>i go to a school where jhu gets no respect...at all, and you know what...I dont give a ****. people can say whatever they want about hopkins and it wont matter because the people who bash it are most likely uber-competitive pricks anyways. so the bottom line is, no one worth knowing will make a big deal about it.</p>
<p>Well, i can only tell you about my own experiences..</p>
<p>I lived in Tehran, Iran for more than a decade. The upper-middle class knows about Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Yale, and Johns Hopkins. For some reason, no one knew or cared about the non-HYP ivies. same with georgetown.</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins, Brown, Penn & Georgetown are all prestigious- certainly all among the 15 most prestigious private universities in the US. Brown is the most popular because it's the easiest- one can graduate from Brown without ever getting a grade in anything. Johns Hopkins is the most rigorous and most respectable.</p>
<p>First of all, they are ALL amazing schools, but I would say that the two Ivy's obvioulsy are the most prestigious, followed by Georgetwon and then John Hopkins. Where i live John Hopkins isn't like an "Oh my god wow" kind of a school. Not to many applicants there. But remember, it is about where you fit in best, and will feel most comfortable.</p>
<p>If you want to go by the US News and World Report Rankings, the 2 Ivies are on top, followed by JHU @ 14, then Georgetown. JHU actually loses "points" because of its lower graduation rate: i.e. it's difficult enough that some people can't cut it, and the administration hasn't resorted to grade inflation. That's a good thing in my book.</p>
<p>Calidan you are incorrect. SAIS in washington DC has educated numerous famous people and is indeed more prestigious and selective than Georgetown's SFS. JHU's IR program on the whole is more famous than Georgetown but may be of less quality on the undergrad level. But considering SAIS faculty teaches at the homewood campus, it definitely rivals Georgetown. The top IR schools in order are Princeton Woodrow Wilson school, JHU SAIS, Tufts Fletcher school, Georgetown. And this is not a biased list but one that numerous IR professors agreed with when I went on tours at some of the schools. Georgetown's prestige eminates from its location and nothing more. The only respectable programs it has are its law school and IR school. Their low endowment and lack of funding has slowed down any campus/program development and has really detracted from its standing among top universities.</p>
<p>Believe whatever you want to...</p>
<p>why are you bragging about the president of El Salvador graduating from Georgetown? After graduating from Princeton, Woodrow Wilson received his Ph.D. from Johns Hopkins. The same professors at JHU who teach Ph.D. programs, teach undergraduate. The faculty at Georgetown's school of Arts & Sciences are not on the same level as the faculty at Johns Hopkins. That's why Johns Hopkins receives such a high academic reputation/peer assessment score in US News each year (4.6-4.8 range out of 5.0, meanwhile Georgtown gets a 3.9 or 4.0 each year).</p>
<p>Well I wasn't really "bragging," but I was remarking upon that fact because we were discussing international recognition. Since so many world leaders have graduated from Georgetown (yes, 3 does qualify as "so many"), I think that it is more internationally recognized than JHU. Not to say that JHU isn't a fantastic school, it's just not as well-known abroad.</p>
<p>Also, you can't completely downplay Georgetown's undergraduate faculty just because not all of the graduate professors teach undergraduate, as well. People like Madeleine Albright teach undergraduate courses at Georgetown, which IMO is more valuable than someone who has a PhD in political science since she has such valuable experience.</p>
<p>Its funny because in both of the INTERNATIONAL university rankings, Georgetown ranked alot lower than JHU. And no, 3 does not constitute "alot".
Also Madeline Albright has a phD from Columbia. Guess where she started her IR career?..JHU. <a href="http://www.jhu.edu/%7Egazette/octdec96/dec1696/q&a.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/octdec96/dec1696/q&a.html</a> , look at what she says about the competiting institution (georgetown) across from SAIS.</p>
<p>John, can you name another domestic institution from which more world leaders have graduated? If you can, please share.</p>
<p>By the way, I hope that you realize that most of the "world rankings" are ludicrous. Most of them them rate places like Purdue and Penn State above Georgetown, and even JHU. There is no reasonable or even remotely logical "world" ranking out there.</p>
<p>I also hope that you realize that nothing in the article compares JHU to Georgetown. It just says that she started her IR career at JHU, then moved on to teach at Georgetown. No where else in the article is Georgetown mentioned.</p>
<p>Calidan is correct, again. Every "World Rankings" poll I have ever seen since the early 1980's (since I am in my 30's, I DO remember the 80's very well) ranks institutions such as Purdue, San Diego State, Penn St., above Georgetown, JHU, and most other Top 25 schools. Although they might be good schools for the students that attend them, that's the most rediculous thing I have ever seen.</p>
<p>You are wrong. In the times supplement World University ranking, JHU is ranked above Penn State, Purdue, and san diego state. And Georgetown is mentioned Calidan in this quote within the article: "Although I taught at a competing institution across town, I was a student here, and I can tell you that no one could enter the world of international relations better prepared than you."</p>
<p>Well you can conjure up as many "rankings" as you want, however most of them mean absolutely nothing. Even USNEWS, arguably the most credible ranking, is still spurious.</p>
<p>And, of course, Madeleine Albright is one person talking about her opinion of the two schools. This does not speak for the general populace. Also, why did she teach at Georgetown and not at JHU? If she preferred JHU so much, surely she could have taken the 30 minutes to drive out there than teaching at Georgetown.</p>
<p>Um..ok. Fact of the matter is she went to JHU and then Columbia due to family convenience, no mention of why she didn't go to Georgetown. Perhaps because she knew it wouldn't yield her the best IR education.</p>