<p>I'm sorry but i think this argument is totally pointless. I've done my research and i will be considering Georgetown SFS and Brown, but not JHU or Penn, but that's just how I personally felt about their programmes and what I've heard about their atmospheres. With schools of this calibur, t's pointless to argue over prestige because they're all excellent institutions... go wherever you fit in best. Why can't it be that simple?</p>
<p>penn without a doubt</p>
<p>harvard lol... but out of those 4 i think penn</p>
<p>You people need to get out of this ivy mindset. With Brown, I can't think of a single program/major it excels in. People seem to be applying for the ivy name tag. Theres a reason why JHU has better grad school placement than these schools. Top grad schools know JHU is more rigorous and is more respected. Case in point is the US News Peer Assessment Score of JHU.Brown = the color and embodiment of **** (I expect alot of liberal brown supporters to immediately come here and argue this afterwards). Fact of the matter is if you go to Brown's daily jolt and Harvard's daily jolt, all the Brown(thats right, brown students who are obsessed with better schools spending their entire day on another school's forum) students ever talk about is the public perception of their school. When the US news ranking came out, the students even discussed Cornell as being the new worst of the ivy league. due to a higher ranking. Brown will never gain the respect garnered by institutions by JHU and Cornell and their students know this. They should stop going to the harvard jolt forum and asking "what do you guys think of Brown?" because they already know what everyone thinks of it. Penn is dependent on wharton; hell even the wharton students dislike the rest of the school and wish to dissociate with it. <a href="http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/421ed69004d88%5B/url%5D">http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/421ed69004d88</a></p>
<p>As for Georgetown, go only for SFS undergrad but its IR school is far from the best in grad. Other programs are lacking and funding is needed badly.Hopkins can provide a comparable IR undergrad program however.</p>
<p>I totally agree with all the above...thank you for saying it lol!!!!!</p>
<p>ok guys, answer the question. Face it U penn is the most well known ( want to argue? I am an international student from india and have been to/talked to people in austrailia, Uk and India ( duh) ) </p>
<p>anyway the OP is a prestige as s . Seriously what do you exactly want to gain from this post?</p>
<p>I have never seen an Ivy bashed and argued on as much as Penn. I wonder why that is? I agree, JHU is very prestigious, but it also holds great academic standards. Penn seems to be the only school in the Ivy that has just as much opponents as proponents. Aside from Wharton, my perception is that Penn is still was a good academic institution. Maybe not #4 like the US NNEWS and WORLD REPORT will like you to believe, but wouldn't all of you agree that Penn should still be ranked in the top 15?
Let me know...</p>
<p>Look guys(and gals), the reason I posted this thread a while back was because I wanted to get a perception of these schools through the eyes of young-adults who are still in high school or who are about to graduate and move on to college. I am in my 30's and I am going back to complete the last two years of my degree. These schools are the ones I am choosing from. Look, I know people will try and post threads stating "Don't worry about prestige, go to a school that is right for you, blah, blah, blah." Although that is a noble gesture, it is NOT reality. I have lived in the real world for the last 13+ years, and IT DOES MATTER where you go to school. Don't let anyone try and tell you otherwise. We all have ideas that the world is going to be a nice place as long as we are a good person, but I am here to tell you it doesn't work that way (unforunately). It is very competetive and cut-throat. So, it does matter where you went to school and how other people preceive that instituion. Honestly, I am not trying to be like a parent and stand up here and preach. I know how these schools were perceived when I went to high school, but I wanted to get a perspective from young adults about where these schools stand in your generation. I want to hear how you guys (and gals) see these schools, academically, prestige, etc. etc.
Thanks everyone...</p>
<p>Sorry thomas, i thought you were a junior/senior asking this question hence i retaliated, however looking at it from your perspective its totally warranted. </p>
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<p>First of all I am extremely sorry that i didnt refer to any facts to declare which school is more well known socially. I didn't know such rankings existed.( but you must have those rankings right ? ) </p>
<p>Secondly you know tons of people internationally? really? from where? people studying at JHU? please give some contacts. Cmon man i can speak for the third world countries and i can say UPenn, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT are the most well known . I can say this becaus ei have met thse people, i have read books published there, I HAVE read the newspapers, almost all colleges want to be like them, want to hear more? </p>
<p>Who are you anyway, from what i can read you are either a JHU alumni or a jhu applicant/student. </p>
<p>I answered the freaking question you moron, the OP didnt really require you to bash ivy league schools only tell him which school is more talked about. ( btw for numbers why do you think you find more international applicants for Upenn than JHU {that too by a significant margin } ?). Please dont say JHU applicants are smarter please!!</p>
<p>sorry for the long post but i just felt like venting some steam, :). </p>
<p>Thomas what do you want to do ? if its for a mba or a buisness related subject choose Wharton, if tis for masters in engineering choose Upenn or even JHU. If its humanities ( which i highly doubt) related choose Brown or even Georgetown you cant go wrong. </p>
<p>btw I havn't applied to Upenn and i have applied to JHU. :D ( just to make sure noone misunderstood my comments above)</p>
<p>I agree with nomads last post...it depends on what you want to do. But i would consider JHU to be more of a engineering/science school than the others. Penn, gtown and brown dont really have engineering and science programs to speak (penn has some bio, but i got the feeling its not amazing).</p>
<p>But i think all of them share that solid liberal arts foundation. And honestly...how can you measure quality in the liberal arts...but which library has the most books? come on...</p>
<p>"Secondly you know tons of people internationally? really? from where? people studying at JHU? please give some contacts. Cmon man i can speak for the third world countries and i can say UPenn, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT are the most well known . I can say this becaus ei have met thse people, i have read books published there, I HAVE read the newspapers, almost all colleges want to be like them, want to hear more?"</p>
<p>Again its all BS. You have done no research. And neither have I so for you to claim you know the rest of the world thinks Penn is more prestigious is spouting BS. I have lived in different countries throughout my life and have studied abroad. That is how I know alot of people internationally. The ONLY schools I can agree with as more prestigious internationally than Hopkins are harvard, yale, princeton, stanford, mit. The rest is all hearsay and YOU know it. This post deviates from the rest as we are discussing perceived prestige/image and not quality. And for you to make such a generalization without sound facts is ridiculous. Look at the penn article i cited, Wharton students talk about why they do not discuss the name Penn with employers. If DOMESTIC STUDENTS are wary of Penn's name, why should i believe your "analysis"?
Obviously Hopkins is known for more its med school. More importantly, it is known for its #1 BME program in the country along with its highly touted bio, IR, writing seminars (#2 behind Iowa), and neurosci programs. And if you still dont believe me with regards to international perception, go read the 3 international rankings out right now. ALL of them rank JHU higher than Penn.</p>
<p>johnkgh, where did you get those rankings (just asking)?</p>
<p>hmm what i told was purely the fact that in India and the UK Johns Hopkins is less known than UPenn ( i passed a genral comment abt austrailia so i may be wrong abt that as i asked only a small sample of people) . DOes it really matter what Penn students say about penn thats not even the question here. The rankings you talk about are utter ********, if you want to argue with me that Johns Hopkins is better than IIT in India ( which is 41 in one ranking and doesnt figure in others) in engineering then go ahead and argue. Ask anyone and I mean ANYONE who is well versed with this knowledge ( MIT grad or stanford grad) they will agree. </p>
<p>Perstige wise i must say they are the same, its just a matter of how many people more know abt penn than JHU . ( maybe jhu doesnt advertise itself as much to the international community)</p>
<p>Thanks for all of the replies... I am actually going back to finish my undergraduate degree in Economics. I lost my parents years ago, so I had to go straight to work out of high school. In between working a full-time career as a real estate agent(50-70 hours per week), I managed to complete 70+ credits from my local community college and was thankful to keep my GPA at 3.46. I know my GPA is not anywhere near the young adults on these boards, however, Penn and Hopkins (both have accepted me, so far) stated that my 3.46, while working a full-time career as well as volunteering 15+ hours a week with a volunteer agency in my community, was much more impressive to them than someone who holds a 3.90 GPA and hasn't really had any EC's. So, whatever the case, I got in. I have my Georgetown interview over the phone tomorrow morning, and they said they will let me know if I have been accepted (I'm sure they already know).
In case anyone is wondering, adult students, such as myself, are accepted on a "rolling-admissions" basis as a transfer student for undergraduate degree programs. I am still waiting to hear from Brown. Anyway, I know this thread is long, but that's why I wanted to get everyone's own personal perspective about these schools. Trust me, IT DOES MATTER where you go to school.</p>
<p>if you want to study economics, then Penn probably would be the best place. as i mentioned before, JHU is known more for the sciences and liberal arts. Gtown and Brown are known only for the liberal arts.</p>
<p>That's what I wanted to know.
I won't be attending Wharton (since I am not getting a business degree), but I wanted to know the strength of a degree from Penn WITHOUT attending Wharton.</p>
<p>Its fine but both are about the same strength at Econ. However at Penn you will be facing stiff competition from wharton students as you will be taking some of the same classes especially in upper level finance courses. And you will also have an extremely hard time finding a job in wall street as employers look at wharton grads first. If you want to go into theoretical economics however, Penn is a solid choice.</p>
<p>johnkgh...Thanks for the info. Theoretical side to Econ and other theory-based fields is what I enjoy. If I was soley interested on Mathematics, I would have liked to have gone into Finance, although Econometrics classes have a foundation of mathematics. Anyway, I would imagine my age would put me at a disadvantage on "The Street". However, I do have 12+ years of Real Estate/Logistics expereince that I could take with an Econ degree and hopefully parlay that into another career, but who knows. Even at 32 years old, my education and completing my degree is the most important thing to me, even if I can't turn it into a lucrative career.</p>
<p>I wish you the best of luck. You seem to have a good handle on your future. 32 years old isnt too bad. I suggest an Econ BA with a strong MBA if you want wall street.</p>